JAJC- I took your suggestion from a different thread, and made some spreadsheets of suppliers and fo's, and marking if it was strong and if I like it. This made me realize how many suppliers I have ordered from (either directly, or some I've purchases off the classies). I currently have fo's from: Aroma Haven BCN Candle Cocoon CandleScience Daystar Lonestar Millcreek Moonworks Natures Garden Peak MMS Southern Garden Scents Sweetcakes WSP Greenleaf Some I will continue to order from, others not. I'm using soy now in melts, so that's why I wanted to retry some of the CS fo's, some seemed weak in my 4633 that I was using in containers. (bty- Raspberry Macaroon is WONDERFUL in lotion- my mil and my son's girlfriend love this scent, and it lasts!). Also, off subject, I tried the Toasted Marshmallow from AH in lotion- love, love it!! It is the closest vanilla to the one I've been trying copy for 2 years!! my search is done for that dupe, I can check that off my list- thanks to you!! Thanks for all the information emilyspoppy- you are an expert, and we all are learning from what you share!! Thank you!