Apparently soy changed DRASTICALLY a couple of years ago (maybe 2016) which I’ve read extensively (it seems) about on past posts...but I wasn’t making candles then. Since I’ve been using 464, I’ve been very happy. HT can be challenging with certain FO - but, I think that’s normal since it’s all I’ve ever known. Now...if I branched out into other waxes...not sure how I would feel — so I don’t! 😂