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The wax has great appearance, mixing it with something else could just be what the doctor ordered.....

HTP gives a bit more mushrooms for me than CD wicks in this wax. I usually get a mushroom so bad it's big like a fist when I get halfway down.. Like @TallTayl says... make sure you wick smaller with these waxes and don't aim for a full melt pool until much further down the vessel... HTP seems sometime to give slightly better throw, but brings other problems Here is an example picture from Candlescience's "lab notes" https://www.candlescience.com/lab-notes-igi-6046-coconut-paraffin-candle-wax-blend Look at that huge mushrooms and sooting is already happening at the beginning of the candle burn (around the rim of the candle). That must turn into a complete torch halfway down? CD24 is a HUGE wick for that wax. No wonder they are claiming good HT if they over wick that much. How will performance be at the last 50% of the candle? I'd love to see a picture of that too ! I would say this is a school example of bad wicking to me? And this is their customer recommendation....

Only way to not get sooting and mushrooming is to wick down a lot with this wax which leaves you with bad hot throw as you aren't getting a proper meltpool until later down the candle. CD is better than HTP, I agree, but I still get problems with the CD wicks. CDN is the only wick who gives a clean burn, but with mediocre hot throw. Everything else with the wax is to die for, excellent looks... It's a shame

HTPs and CDs will not work in that wax great at all, you will get a lot of sooting and so bad mushrooming that it affects the burn too much. Smaller CDN wicks are the one's that is recommended by IGI for that wax. Try CDN (Stabilo KST) 2,3,4,5,6,7,8 for the best results. You will not have the best throw until you burned down half of your candle unfortunately but those wicks will work from top to bottom with that wax. On it's own I have not found it to be an ideal wax for hot throw in my containers.

You will be perfectly fine... Except that YOU might be a bit cold when pouring during the winter months... I live in California so temperature here can go up making finished candles "sweat" when stored which is the biggest concern being in an uncontrolled environment. Buy a couple of old fridges to store your fragrance oils in, heat during summer can destroy or shorten the life of some fragrances...

If you are ordering from Lebermuth by the pound and under $500 maybe get your order in before September 3, 2019 Dear Customer, Over the past few months, we have shared information regarding the changes in the essential oil, fragrance and flavors industries. There are many contributing factors causing these changes including tariffs, international transportation strikes, crop challenges, currency fluctuations, etc. To align our business in consideration of these challenges, we have updated our ordering policies. Upcoming policy changes as of September 3, 2019: Minimum Order Policy Order minimum $500.00 (net of freight): Applies to catalog orders placed online, with Customer Service or your Account Executive Applies to manufactured (non-catalog) orders placed with Customer Service or your Account Executive There will no longer be a processing fee option for orders that do not meet the order minimum Does not apply to sample orders Quantity minimum: Manufactured products (non-catalog) 25 lbs. each Flavors is 25 lbs. each Return Authorization of Food-Grade Materials Returns must be made within 30 days. Food-grade material may not be returned unless one of the following conditions are met: An error occurred by Lebermuth in the ordering and/or shipping process. The item is unopened. The item may be opened by a facility with a food-grade level certification; however, the containers must be factory sealed with appropriate labeling. The points listed above are highlights, we encourage you to read all of Lebermuth ordering policies on our Order Information page: https://www.lebermuth.com/ordering-information. We know each of you run businesses and understand that doing so can be challenging and rewarding. As costs to operate escalate each year, we all must continue to be efficient to stay profitable. Processing larger orders is necessary for Lebermuth to maintain our level of service that you have come to know and expect. If you will be challenged to meet the new order minimum of $500, here below, are some of our valued partners that re-sell Lebermuth products that likely do not have a minimum order requirement. The Essential Oil Company https://www.essentialoil.com/ Chemistry Store https://www.chemistrystore.com/ Bulk Apothecary https://www.bulkapothecary.com/ Eternal Essence https://www.eternalessenceoils.com/ If you have any questions about these changes, Lebermuth’s Customer Service is at your service. As always, you can call us at 1-800-648-1123 or email us at info@lebermuth.com. Thank you for your business and we wish you the best of luck in achieving success! Sincerely, The Lebermuth Family

Could be 5601-A also, but looks like Glass Glow...

Their webpage hasn't been updated in years and years.. It's very very outdated. Accu Blend just moved their facility to Perris, CA. Henry Shishido, who used to run the place, have vanished / or left the company. I think they might have new ownership. You have always been able to buy from AccuBlend by the pallet. All smaller sales are handled by California Candle Supply. They are based in Glendora and are family operated, very very very nice people and good service. If you are willing to drive to Azusa, why not go to Glendora and pick up your supplies? I buy wax by the pallet from AccuBlend and smaller amounts I get from California Candle Supply. Many wax manufacturers don't even let you buy by the pallet straight from them, they require a minimum of 4 pallets and a quite large minimum of a yearly spend. IGI is a big head scratcher for me, for instance. The main distributor on the west cost, where I am, have higher prices than the main distributor on the east coast. But shipping is more from the east coast. Shipping of wax and glass is what kills most of my profits so I'm really trying to be smart and order in bulk to earn more. If I had more storage space I would get so much wax that I could survive for a couple or years each time. There are ways to deal with bigger factories, but they really don't need your business in the first place. That's why they have distributors who can handle customer support, have updated websites, handle larger volume of calls from smaller customers etc...

I tried the IGI 6570/6046 alone and although we could get a good burning candle with it from top to bottom I was never happy with the hot throw, I thought it was weak. The wick that I saw that Candlescience is recommending for that wax is one that was concluded a total failure by Wicks Unlimited . But then again, CS is recommending what they already have in stock, as in... they are trying to shoehorn in whatever they have instead of stocking a better working wick for that wax. Then I tried various blends with Coco83 and paraffin in different percentages with Precision Wicking but i mostly got WAY too much sooting for it being a sellable candle. Sometimes I had good throw, sometimes very weak. Conclusion was that I had the same problems as with soywax, the wax were way too fickly with fragrances to be able to become my house blend.

Wicks Unlimited were better in that sense that I could actually speak directly to the two people who does all the testing.. They helped me test out the new IGI coconut paraffin wax 6570 and although they did find one wick series that burned well in that wax, it didn't give the throw I wanted but I think it's the wax itself that isn't that potent on it's own. At least not in my jars although I had better luck in tins. They did find a great wick for my palm wax candles which we make for another store, I'm just waiting for the client to approve the wick. Then I might buy it, it will take me some time to go through 10,000 wicks but sometimes just having the help of finding a wick is worth some $$$ as you will have a good performing candle. Precision wicking could find me two different wicks for two palm wax candles and I bought 5,000 of each. They couldn't find me any suitable wicks for any coconut blends I gave to them. We tried about 15 candles. I had loads of problems with their choices for that. I could also not speak to their testing team, the sales person only relayed the information from them Both had great customer support... I can recommend both companies but it also shows that even with professional help and so many wicks to choose from, it's pretty hard to completely nail it. In my case, I also had a problematic tapered jar which was not helping. As a reference, 5,000 wicks is about $300 and $10,000 is $600 So even if it's a hobby you could see it as an investment in making a better candle and understanding the jar and wax you have. You could team up with someone here on the forum also who uses the same jar and wax and do it together.

I have tried Precision Wicking (5,000 wicks minimum order) and Wicks Unlimited (10,000 wicks minimum order)

At least a supplier who were HONEST with that they were having problems....

From https://4candlesuk.blogspot.com/2019/07/ecosoya-permanently-cease-trading.html Hi Everyone, I’m contacting you with a heavy heart. It is with deep sadness that I say we at NGI/EcoSoya are now going out of business after over 20 years. Being part of the candle industry, I know what this means for you and I am truly sorry for the resulting hardship that this causes. Please know that we have done everything we can to keep you supplied. This action is not by choice and comes as a result of a series of situations.As you know, in late 2016 our manufacturer abruptly and with only a few weeks notice discontinued making our waxes leaving us and you with no supply. For many years prior to that, we had been searching for parallel manufacturing with no luck. As if by a small miracle, in late 2017/early 2018 we successfully found and worked very hard with another key component supplier to properly produce our very unique chemistry and supply came back. All was going great again until this new supplier, for unknown reasons, stopped producing the quality we needed to provide you with successful well performing wax.As a result we are unable to secure supply with no apparent recourse, resulting in our closure. EcoSoya soy waxes are still unparalleled in performance and NGI is credited with creating the soy wax industry. Honors that I will cherish!Please know that I, and my team, greatly appreciate your support, patronage and loyalty over the years. It is with tears in my eyes that I say “It has been an honor and pleasure to be part of the candle industry and to work with you.”I wish you great success and all the best. Take Care Together, Dan Daniel S. Cap CEO Nature's Gifts International, LLC 10524 Lexington Dr., STE 400 Knoxville, TN 37932 - USA

Yes, call them and then send them half an ounce to an ounce of the original fragrance oil.

Sorry for late reply, our new house takes a lot of time these days and soon holidays are coming up 😎 Yes, I have tried a dupe with them... and I have also ordered in a few of their samples... We went back and forth 5 times but they couldn't really nail it for me so I kind of gave up on the whole duplication this time and discontinued my best selling candle for now . They have nice customer support and great service otherwise. And good luck finding someone else who will dupe only 10 lb for you these days. Their Jo Malone dupe of Pomegranate Noir is pretty close compared to the real room spray for instance. They should be able to get you pretty close to your original oil but maybe not exact... Maybe in the range of 80% out of 100%. But I think it depends on the original ingredients. I would definitely give AFI a try. I'm also very fickle with things, so it might just be me. A couple of years ago I did give Save on Scents a try with their duplication services, and that was a complete fiasco. They sent me something that was completely different, I was baffled with the results... It was very bad and I don't know who they put in charge of their duplication "by nose" service. When I have the money I will do a dupe with the bigger fragrance houses, but they require 50 lb as a minimum these days. My main problem, as many others here, was to use a Candle Science fragrance oil and then they just pull off it the shelf like that. A lot of people were not happy with them discontinuing Pine Cones and other fragrances, see the reviews... https://www.candlescience.com/fragrance/pine-cones-fragrance-oil At least WSP let you order in bulk of their discontinued oils, so you can still get a 10 lb keg of your old favourite oil. So in 2019 I will stick to only ordering straight from the fragrance houses or WSP as I know I can keep on ordering for years to come.

You can set your inventory to the amount of candles you have. So you will never sell more than you have in stock. Etsy didn't do much for us so we moved to Shopify, it gives you more freedom to design the look of your webpage...and for us that was important Both POS systems are great but Etsy has it's limits when it comes to the design, but it's very easy to set up and get running with low fees. You should definitely get your products up there. Just remember that people buy with their eyes on there, so spend some time on getting nice product shots.

Yes, Easy Beads and Coco83 is the same wax. I'm not sure about Northwood as I have never asked about it or tried it. I have a box of Coco83 left but it is from last year so I didn't order anything new after the shortage period of it to be able to compare. It might well have changed slightly again. Accu-Blend were obviously short of some material that they could have substituted? They also moved to a new facility which may have changed things?

I got a photo before also of one Amazon package from them.. I couldn't find it and could not figure out where that photo was taken first as it looked nowhere where we live then I realized that they put it on our garbage can at the back in our alleyway and not even on our street...

Each to their own but that would take much much longer time than melting straight in the presto... The presto is easily wiped out in seconds anyway.

I don't have my notes in front of me now but something weird happens with HTP after 105, the bigger sizes burn sometimes smaller or there is a big jump or something. I haven't gotten the end of that list to work great for me.

The candle market is not much of an innovator really... like many other businesses. Same jars, same scents + descriptions and usually the same branding... Instagram pictures with foliage plant and a candle in the window It's really hard to come up with something new, and it's hard to get people to like something new... Most people like familiarity I think I saw Bougie on Voluspa candles first, but I'm sure they stole it from somewhere else...

Yeah, all that rain and there are tons of butterflies that shoots out from pretty much everywhere there now..

Yes, they are very helpful and truly sorry that they couldn't get this wax to work for me. They found great wicks for me in palm wax before. It's a minimum of 10,000 wicks, which is a bit of an investment, but as normal distributors only carry a few of all wicks there are out there to get a candle to burn good, it could well be worth it.

I don't like the consistency of the burn overall, it's not good enough for me. Coconut waxes have been marketed as a new natural miracle wax that has the same great hot throw as paraffin. They simply aren't a one wax / one pour, you have to blend it with something else to get it to work. What that is, I have not yet found a good formula for. It soots easily, mushrooms easily and very easily burn too hot. Especially after burning it for a few hours. One part of the candle can suddenly start throwing a lot when another part barely throws. So it can have a good hot throw but it's very inconsistent throughout the candle. I was hoping this wax would be a stable solution to this with added additives and the paraffin, but it isn't. You also get huge sinkholes after pouring. Saying that you might get it to work in your container... with your fragrance. I had much better luck in tins with it than glass. Wicksunlimited did the wick testing for this wax for IGI and their final recommendation for this wax is CDN or Sao Vitor wicks. I have sent 12 different scent configurations to Wicksunlimited in this wax and after extensive testing, they came to the conclusion that CDN wicks were the ONLY wick that burned well in my candles. Everything else failed (they have about 450 different wicks). Although all the candles burn pretty consistently with CDN wicks, they will not give more than a medium to weak throw which is not good enough for me. Both CD and ECO wicks that CS are recommending are failing in this wax. But then, that's the wicks they sell, why would they recommend anything that actually works? Their test lab also told us that nothing changed with their soy waxes last year. Is it a lab, or a candle burning in a huge office with someone just monitoring the flame and nothing else? I will not discourage you, it could just be my fragrances and my vessels. Please do post how you get along with the wax. I'm still experimenting every day.

It's a product that needs to be blended with other waxes to work well. At least Cargill is honest about that with their coconut waxes. I was also hoping that is was a new and improved formula. Candlescience latest wick recommendations for this wax are off as well. They and any other distributor, only recommend what they have on the shelf. But it's good that they sell it as they have reasonable prices on shipping. I like the wax somewhat but not on its own.