Golden Brands Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Stacien,Call me and I will go over this with you.18006223055 ext 101.jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocha Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I used dye chips/flakes at first and got alot of frosting too...I switched to the EVO liquid and now I get NO frosting at all! However, the set ups after the first few burns look awful (lumpy, craters, etc)...then after several burns, the tops set up pretty smooth again...go figure??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iammommytwo Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Geek,You basicly temper the wax. Tempering will break down the crystal structure and always get rid of the frosting/blooming. YOu can use colors you never thought possible when you temper. To temper this wax do the following.Bring temp to 125 and stir to melt all the wax. add scent and colorDrop temp to 100raise temp to 115 (you may be able to pour at this point, if you still get frosting then)......drop temp to 100 and pour.jasoncan't wait to try that w/some of my darker colors, but J- I use color chips, and the wax has to go to at least 150 the first time around. Is that OK?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geekrunner Posted April 25, 2006 Author Share Posted April 25, 2006 can't wait to try that w/some of my darker colors, but J- I use color chips, and the wax has to go to at least 150 the first time around. Is that OK??From what I gather from PMing with Jason, you could heat the wax to 150 or higher, add the color and stir till incorporated, then cool completely till solid. Then remelt to the temps he indicated and take it from there. HTH!geek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iammommytwo Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 From what I gather from PMing with Jason, you could heat the wax to 150 or higher, add the color and stir till incorporated, then cool completely till solid. Then remelt to the temps he indicated and take it from there. HTH!geekcan't wait to try it!!! oh, and Geek- sure are gonna miss you in the 474 thread...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stacien Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Geek, he told me the same method works with the 415. I will try that one again. I am still skeptical about 464 because you can't take a heat gun to smooth it out. You get only one shot to pour or you do a second pour. I can honestly say I am too much of a perfectionist with my tops to accept that. I have to think it over some more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Brands Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 can't wait to try that w/some of my darker colors, but J- I use color chips, and the wax has to go to at least 150 the first time around. Is that OK??That may be too high. You only want to bring the wax no more than 10 degrees over the melt point. All the wax may not be melted, so you will have to mix it up and distribute the heat. Then drop and bring up 5 degrees under the melt point, drop and pour.feel free to call me with any questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iammommytwo Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 That may be too high. You only want to bring the wax no more than 10 degrees over the melt point. All the wax may not be melted, so you will have to mix it up and distribute the heat. Then drop and bring up 5 degrees under the melt point, drop and pour.feel free to call me with any questions.I will definately give that a try, TY J.THIS IS AN AWESOME THREAD!!I will let you know what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FO Lover Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 I would try the 1212 first,,,I also tested the 1312 and it worked well with the 464 if you look through the thread here at my posts,,,,I am testing the new 700 premier series and starting to love it!!! Just give it a go and see how it works,,,,HTHI have not heard of the 700 premier series wicks. Can I ask where you got them and how did you hear about them and how your testing with them is going?Thanks,Rhonda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FO Lover Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 I don't recall what Jason said about the max fo load for this wax?Anybody know? 10%? Thanks,Rhonda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hewells Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 I have not heard of the 700 premier series wicks. Can I ask where you got them and how did you hear about them and how your testing with them is going?Thanks,RhondaHere is the link for Wick n Clip. They carry the premier series wicks. You can request a free sample of the 700 series, you get a vast array of sizes to test.http://www.wicknclip.com/HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FO Lover Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Thank you for the link!Rhonda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joyofsoycandle Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 I have a sample of this on the way from Gateway, and I was just reading what Jason wrote about tempering the wax....if you add the FO at that low of a temp though, will you still have good scent throw?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgiaII Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 If you temper the wax and add FO at 125 degrees does this have a detrimental affect on scent throw? It would seem to me that the FO would not be thoroughly incorporated into the wax. I tried this and it does help with frosting, however, I don't seem to have the scent throw (cold and hot) that I had with candles made without tempering the wax. I used 3 drops of red liquid dye in 8 oz. of wax and the only frosting I had was a little on the side facing an open window and on the bottom for some reason I couldn't figure out. The top was absolutely perfect - smooth and creamy with no frosting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joyofsoycandle Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 See thats what I thought, you need to add the FO at a hot enough temp to bind with the wax, so im not sure how it would work to temper the wax like that. I always bring my wax to at least 175-180 and add scent, so then how would you go about tempering it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgiaII Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 I guess we're going to have to wait for Jason or someone to let us know because I've always thought like you that the wax had to be heated a lot higher than 125 degrees to get the FO to blend. The scent throw didn't seem to be as good when I tried tempering the wax but I'm thinking it could just be my imagination because I had always thought it had to be heated more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joyofsoycandle Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Yeah hopefully tomorrow Jason will see this....:smiley2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Brands Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Beacause the candle is poured at a lower temp it will set up faster. Therefore, the fO will not have time to settle in the oil/wax. This should have no effect on the scent throw. If you believe it does then you have to ask your self, frosting or throw. Although, I don't even think this is a question. I have often said that there is 100 ways to skin a cat. This is true with making candles. If you believe that pouring at 175 creates a better scent throw, then by all means do it. I personally don't understand where the FO goes is adding it at 125 or 175. I know a lot of people who do it both ways. It doesn't mean on is right or wrong. Bottom line- Do what is best for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmarcha Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Testing results in general:I poured 10 - 3.5" crocks using the 464; no color, 9% fragrance and double wicking. I did not heat the crocks; room temperature was around 70*. I had different setup results; I think some due to the fragrance used, and also due to pour temperature. I poured the first 4 - 5 crocks at around 135* - 138*; these setup up nicely with a bit of surface scarring on some; not bad. I then poured the last 5 crocks a bit cooler; around 125* - 128* and found some caving around the wick area and surface scarring. A heatgun did solve this problem.My thoughts on these different results is, since these crocks are ceramic and are cooler in temperature than some thinner jars, I need to pour hotter...the ones I did pour a bit hotter setup alot nicer. I have read some great results on this board with others pouring hotter (150* - 170*) and will try this with my next crock testers. For those of you who are pouring hotter (150* - 170*) are your results consistant in the setup being nice and smooth? I will post my results once I pour some more crock testers. Back to the drawing board Overall conclusion on the 464...I just love this wax! Now to get the pour temps down. By the way, the jars I posted earlier on did very well with the wicks I posted. The only one I had to change was the Patchouli, of course. I ended up using a 1312, and it did just fine. I am finding my wick sizes are not changing much from the wax I already use. I was hoping it would by allowing me to wick down at least one size, but no big deal! I can get this wax locally, and will be switching as soon as my testing is completed. I never though I would find a wax comparable to what I already use, but now I have!! GREAT JOB JASON! Edited to say: When I lit the crocks that setup with a smooth top, I did have hidden sink holes. I have to repour 2 crocks since the wicks burned down quickly and the testers were destroyed. I am going to do repours on my crocks since this is my largest jar and the only one I double wick...just to play it safe for customers...unless someone has a solution to stop the sink holes and craters...anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Brands Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Geek, he told me the same method works with the 415. I will try that one again. I am still skeptical about 464 because you can't take a heat gun to smooth it out. You get only one shot to pour or you do a second pour. I can honestly say I am too much of a perfectionist with my tops to accept that. I have to think it over some more.Stacie,I just noticed this post. I have used a heat gun on the 464 with great results. Call me and I would like to go over this with you.Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FO Lover Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 Testing my avatar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iammommytwo Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 dang, I forget who I have to thank for this .....I poured a 464 candle today, adding 1 1/2 tsp of Crisco w/4oz of wax, colored dark, dark blue, and 6% FO (NG Black Magic) and....... IT IS BEAUTIFUL can't wait to burn this baby tomorrow, especially since I forgot to wick down (oopsies)will post results results from today-found one very small spot of frosting( I can live w/that) melt pool got too deep, 'cause I didn't wick down. but it seems to not have the throw that the straight 464 does. it is possible that I shorted the FO% a bit, so I will do another and pay closer attention. it did set up beautifully after both test burns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharon in KY Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 For those that want to color and the low temp doesn't work. I have melted to the 125* but have another pot I keep at about 170* pour a little hot wax in FO and color. Then pour the lower temp wax in. Works great for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgiaII Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 That sounds like an interesting idea so I'm going to try it. I'm also going to try adding the FO to the hotter wax when I add the color. Thanks for sharing your idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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