Hi Geekrunner, I've been gone for a while and haven't been able to check the board, but I ordered 5 cases of the 464 based on what everybody has said about it and I couldn't wait or afford the expensive wax I was using. Now I see that you are all trying a GL 70/30. Where is that from and which wax do you like better? The 464 or the GL 70/30? My findings on the 464 is that if they get a good week to cure they are stronger. Every day when I check the candles they are stronger the next day even 5 days down the road. I also got the wick samples from Wickit and now I am not hearing very good things about those either. They are a darn good price...too bad! Thanks for your response, FO Lover