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I remember part of the issue now after looking at them again. Lids aren't too expensive I suppose but with shipping they are. to get 60 lids its $30 in shipping to the midwest! Thats ridiculous. From every other supplier I could order 40 bottles of fragrance, lids, wicks, etc for that shipping. Shipping shouldn't ever be the equivalent of product cost when you are talking about lids. Lol

@ChristinaD I think you may be right on the embossed lids. They COULD fit the 14oz jar from lonestar. According to the size, they should. However, I looked at these lids when they first came out and I cant remember why I didn't like them (or decide to get them). There had to be a reason because I am almost always willing to try something new (bad habit). i bet that would be too lose for the 22oz jar though with smaller diameter.

Trappeur... we all might be talking about different jars or at least in regards to Christina's original question. The lids you just mentioned from Candle Making supplies... I use them as well. But, they fit on my 3 wick symphony dish jars I get from Community Candle Supply (too expensive by the way). The lids that Christina is asking about are not as wide... they are basically a tumbler that is a bit wider. 2 or 3 wicks work in them. They are popular at B&BW. I could be totally wrong or misunderstanding, but the lids you mentioned that I currently use do not fit for the jars she is asking about. At least not mine, they are way too big. I am hoping I am misunderstanding and wrong though. Ive been looking for lids for them for about a year now.

these jars are everywhere.. the issue is find lids for them. Lonestar has them for great prices... but again, no lids. One size has the glass flat lids, which I dont like and its not for the size I want. I cant find any lids anywhere else

You definitely will not need more than 6-8% in 4630. You will just want to evaluate by scent. HTPs work well in 4630, but keep an eye on them in small tins. Since they tend to curl and sometimes lean, you dont want them getting to close to one side of the tin. I think you will probably have best luck zinc if I had to guess. But several wicks work well in 4630 just depends on scent, application, and testing. You could also try small wood wicks and premiers

yep, im telling ya.... something about the makeup of this new wax is just not "normal". Wicking is tough in it. Its so dense and like you said, packed and rubbery like. If wicks have a hard time drawing oils out of it, I could also see it having a hard time snapping apart easy as well. this new "quantum" was is so overrated and its frustrating

its gonna depend on the FO and the FO %. But I would try the following in no particular order: Zinc LX htp

If you are looking for consistently nice top, than you are facing uphill battle sticking with soy. Parrafin much easier and more consistent. Try 4630. I think you will find it more pleasing. (And much easier to wick!) If nothing else try blending 4630 (or something else) with your soy. Soy is having lots of issues lately with all the regulation changes and suppliers have been having all sorts of issues and complaints.Its documented pretty well on this forum. Its why NGI stopped their soy waxes for a bit while they worked on redevelopment. I use 6006 often too which is a parasoy. Its a pretty good happy medium. Sounds like its a bit easier to wick than your wax as well.

hmm, yah I'm not sure what to recommend. Id just be guessing since I dont use that wax at all. Id go with the recommended choices and just keep testing I guess. Sorry. Have you considered trying a new wax sometime? By the way, how do you like using a wax that is designed to pull away from container rather than adhere to the sides?

Yah, I hear ya. I really no nothing about that wax. I am not a huge fan of all soy anyway. The only one I really liked in the past was CB Advanced. I prefer parasoy mostly. What is melt point of that wax?

I should have noticed this earlier... and sorry I didn't. I didn't realize you were using 100%soy wax. And i am not familiar with your wax, I've never used it. I would not recommend zinc with it though being all soy. My bad. you are right... they wont be a good option. Id stick with ECO, CD, or HTP if it was me. Or premier

So a little bit more of what I am noticing so far. The candles giving me the most trouble (by a long shot) are the bakery and fall scents which are typically heavier scents. This wax doesn't seem to work well with them.It has a hard time releasing these oils and I think that is why getting clumpy building up at the base of wicks entering the wax. Every wick type or size I try with these scents does the same thing. Issues I NEVER had with other soy waxes, parasoys, or parrafin. Ive had descent... "descent" success with some neutrals like Macintosh Apple, cranberry and then a few lighter florals. But here are some that just continue to fail miserably: hazelnut coffee, pumpkin anything, caramel corn, cinnamon based, vanillas. I have a feeling the "success" stories we are hearing about this wax have not been testing many fragrances. Anyone else have any further feedback yet?

Yah, and I cant stand how most the wooden wicks I try split in two while burning

my preimers and peaks cottons seem different to me. Not sure what peaks cotton core wicks were. I never liked them anyway. Id look for something a little more paintsteam (premier, lx, regular cotton core.. lol)

Well, I mean any wicks can break off once they become charred after extended use. Your best bet to avoid accidentally knocking off too much when trying to trim would be cored wicks. but they have their own drawbacks. ECO has been the worst for me in terms of crumbling easily though. Try rounded and/or square braid wicks rather than flat like ECO. May help as well. Try LX

might have to get me one of those.

If you are using tins, then I would reconsider zincs. They burn cooler. Since tins can get quite hot and tend to hold in heat really well, zincs do well in them. If you cant deal with the mushrooms and/or trimming, then you really narrow your options. Almost ANY wick can technically self trim where you dont need to in between burns.. but it has to be a PERFECT combination of wax, wick, scent, and jar. You are correct, many consumers don't know to trim or wont trim. So educate as you can, put little hang tags or something with each candle saying to trim wicks, etc. I wouldn't avoid a candle because it burns well for you but you think consumers wont trim. You can't control what they do. That being said, I understand where you are coming from and I, as well, am constantly working on completely self trimming wicking. But Ill warn you... it takes LOTS of time and LOTS of money to keep experimenting and testing and you have to be willing to give up completely on many combinations and scents. I have invested a considerable amount of profits and own money to work towards these goals. But I wouldn't set out to do that from the beginning. Make good quality candles and start selling. Then with time work on tweaking and improving towards your goals. Ok, sorry...back to the wick suggestions. Its hard to help you without knowing what wax your using. Soy, parrafin, or parasoy, palm, coconut wax, etc? ECOs do well but only in soy IMO HTP all around pretty good and will curl for you. but after a couple burns can still get a large flame. CDs, unless you are using straight soy I find these tend to mushroom and soot more than my liking. If I am going to be ok with some mushrooms and soot, then Id go with zinc all day every day. LX and Premiers...hit or miss. Sometimes act like htp, other times act like zinc without the wire RRD, another descent all around wick but less incremental sizing and for me works great with some scents, not at all with others. Woodwicks... no thanks, let me know if you ever find a consistent good one available to us (not just big box like WoodWick) Paper - work well in many waxes, but mushroom and soot and too big a flame for my liking. I can assist with more specifics when I know your wax

Yah never seen an lx40. Lol. That wouldbe like a cork. Lol. Lx 26 is huge already.

Yes i knpw what u mean. Thats why if i have to use eco i hopr they curl or self trim so i dont need to. Thats hit and miss though

Lx40? Never heard of such a size In my experience these two wicks havent bee that similar to offer conparables. Maybe just for me though

Its called Q230 I believe and haven't found it in stock anywhere yet. Just Q210 Since most of the issues Ive seen appear to be strictly about wicking... I would imagine using the blend for melts will be just fine

yah she had to wick down ( I had to wick up with 6006 a couple times). Again.. all very weird. But as a reminder to others following this thread... that was 464. In regards to Q210..... not a whole lot go off of yet other than its been tough to wick

Ill get right on that! Ha

I will give it a go, but I barely see any difference at all from Q210. And I suspect that Q210 came out first because it was the most ready and tested (scary huh). @GoldieMN Any time I ask a vendor about wicks for Q210 they say one of the following things: 1) Wicks you would normally use in soy (uh no) OR 2) Sorry, we cannot recommend wicks at this time.

yah, ive asked bill at Candlewic about square braid samples. Might try those.