8-GRAN-ONES Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I have been reading the problems with the different brands of wax. I have not bought GB wax for a couple years.. I use 415, is there any problems going on with it that I should know about before I buy it again? I mostly make for myself and gifts. I have had good luck with this wax once I learned how to use it. any feedback would be appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldieMN Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I believe it is all soy waxes so would include 415. You just have to test each box you get. I'm using 464 and had to wick down for most fragrance oils. Not sure what 415 users are experiencing. GoldieMN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I have to wick 415 down quite a bit and the throw is abysmal compared to prior years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-GRAN-ONES Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 This is sad, with so many different waxes being changed, and causing so many problems, it's almost like they're trying to sabotage the smaller candle makers.. But if the makers of wax can't figure out how to produce wax that is useable, they're going to be hurting too because people are not going to be buying the wax.. I just feel for the ones that have made a good candle business for themselves.. It is challenging!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerven Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I've had to wick down two sizes in 464. I'm currently using 464 from Lot F of Feb. 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trappeur Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 1 to 2 sizes having to wick down also using 464 Trappeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldieMN Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Never thought of this, but I'm guessing the large soy-making candle companies have also been affected. Do they test every new batch of soy wax? GoldieMN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstar Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 13 hours ago, Kerven said: I've had to wick down two sizes in 464. I'm currently using 464 from Lot F of Feb. 2017. How bout HT - any difference or just wicks ? TYIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerven Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Mostly the wicks. Throw doesn't seem too off. A few fragrances, that were fine before, are giving me minor problems (lemon, cinnamon, and chocolate scents so far) but its manageable. On the other hand, some of the fragrances I've had trouble with before are performing better (heavier florals and vanillas). I wouldn't say it's a terribly large difference but it is there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighten Up Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 I've been using 415 for over 10 years, it's what I started with and I just stuck with it. So far, with my 2017 pallet, I am wicking down 1 size across the board and getting a nice burn and a decent hot throw. Mine get only a 24 hr cure, so I feel that my testers get stronger as they age. Before I ordered my wax this year, I did talk to a couple of people at AAK, one of them at length. He described the processing to me and they do have what they call a 'wax lab' and I believe they have 2 people that make and test candles there, so, I feel like they are not dismissing us. Also, I believe I read somewhere that the soy wax was changed because of the FDA's regulations on some fats? Not sure when that would have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighten Up Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 On 9/28/2017 at 5:59 AM, GoldieMN said: Never thought of this, but I'm guessing the large soy-making candle companies have also been affected. Do they test every new batch of soy wax? GoldieMN I was wondering that myself. After talking to AAK though, I wonder if their waxes are custom formulated and have strict parameters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-GRAN-ONES Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 Thanks for all the info.. i am planning on going thru Reno in the near future.. i'll probably pick up a box at candle science and give it a try.. it is the wax I have used for the last 10 years also.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldieMN Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 I was going to pour 13 new fragrance oils to test and realized even if they worked, I wouldn't have enough wax to make finished jars for sale so had to set that aside and reorder wax. Disappointed in the throw as it isn't what it use to be for me. (464, pint canning jars, Premier wicks 770 or #10-12 Cds, approx. 6.8%fragrance oil). On the other hand, I bought a different tart burner and my tarts/clamshells have a great hot throw. I'm so sick of testing, but I know it HAS to be the wicks. . .the only other variable is the amount of fragrance oil. Has anyone adjusted the oil percentage? GoldieMN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-GRAN-ONES Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 With all my testing I found cd wicks worked best for me in 415.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wthomas57 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 HT has taken a big hit with all these wax issues as well. At least in my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldieMN Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 38 minutes ago, wthomas57 said: HT has taken a big hit with all these wax issues as well. At least in my experience. Have you experimented with upping your percentage of fragrance oils? GoldieMN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wthomas57 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I have but that requires retesting as well which is an enourmous pain and cost. Also if I have to start adding more fragrance just to get the results i was getting before... ill look elsewhere. I mostly use a parasoy so Ive been fine. However, I did aggressively tackle the new eco waxes... which are just abysmal in my opinion. Thats for a different discussion. Just going to have to be done 100% soys for now. Too many issues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldieMN Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 56 minutes ago, wthomas57 said: I have but that requires retesting as well which is an enourmous pain and cost. Also if I have to start adding more fragrance just to get the results i was getting before... ill look elsewhere. I mostly use a parasoy so Ive been fine. However, I did aggressively tackle the new eco waxes... which are just abysmal in my opinion. Thats for a different discussion. Just going to have to be done 100% soys for now. Too many issues Oh man, do I hear you with the pain and cost of retesting. GoldieMN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 On 9/29/2017 at 1:07 PM, Lighten Up said: I've been using 415 for over 10 years, it's what I started with and I just stuck with it. So far, with my 2017 pallet, I am wicking down 1 size across the board and getting a nice burn and a decent hot throw. Mine get only a 24 hr cure, so I feel that my testers get stronger as they age. Before I ordered my wax this year, I did talk to a couple of people at AAK, one of them at length. He described the processing to me and they do have what they call a 'wax lab' and I believe they have 2 people that make and test candles there, so, I feel like they are not dismissing us. Also, I believe I read somewhere that the soy wax was changed because of the FDA's regulations on some fats? Not sure when that would have been. So you are having to wick down from your norm and your noticing a difference in ht? I certainly can get by wicking down as well and the throw is okay but nothing like it used to be before the new FDA regulations....which completely blows because I know what it COULD be like but it's just not anymore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 On 9/29/2017 at 8:51 PM, GoldieMN said: I was going to pour 13 new fragrance oils to test and realized even if they worked, I wouldn't have enough wax to make finished jars for sale so had to set that aside and reorder wax. Disappointed in the throw as it isn't what it use to be for me. (464, pint canning jars, Premier wicks 770 or #10-12 Cds, approx. 6.8%fragrance oil). On the other hand, I bought a different tart burner and my tarts/clamshells have a great hot throw. I'm so sick of testing, but I know it HAS to be the wicks. . .the only other variable is the amount of fragrance oil. Has anyone adjusted the oil percentage? GoldieMN You use 464 and nothing in your system has changed but the wax? Or you switched wicks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighten Up Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 5 hours ago, moonshine said: So you are having to wick down from your norm and your noticing a difference in ht? I certainly can get by wicking down as well and the throw is okay but nothing like it used to be before the new FDA regulations....which completely blows because I know what it COULD be like but it's just not anymore My wick testing is down 1 size across the board -based on my first few testers with the new batch of wax. I feel the HT is more than adequate. Also, I have a couple friends that test for me once the candle can leave here. I'm getting good feedback, so far. I don't know if I am noticing much of a difference, but I am not unhappy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wthomas57 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 18 hours ago, GoldieMN said: Oh man, do I hear you with the pain and cost of retesting. GoldieMN Problem is I am finding no suitable alternatives. The new quantum waxes are absolutely atrocious. If they dont fix the problem, NGI/EcoBrands wont be around too long. The waxes are barely usable. I dont like 464 or 415 myself but for different "normal" reasons, Lol. I dont think anything compares to CB-Advanced which is of course gone now. Ive been doing everything I can to try and find a descent alternative or even try blending several... just not happy with anything soy anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 It's not funny but it kinda is....I'm disgusted and discouraged as well what is it about 415 you don't like? I am a little surprised to hear you like advanced as it's one of the soys that looks absolutely beautiful but hardly throws at all, very finicky wax with FO my customers want soy and I'm at my wits end figuring this out 415 will still get me by wicking down but it's a crap load of more tests to be sure each fragrance is going to work well going this route - some may need to go down 2 sizes 🙈 I am going to introduce a couple different blends I have been testing slowly in tins to see the reaction and feedback I get from people and hopefully they will come around so I can just move on from this straight soy crap once and for all - and it does make me sad because I LOVED my 415! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wthomas57 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, moonshine said: It's not funny but it kinda is....I'm disgusted and discouraged as well what is it about 415 you don't like? I am a little surprised to hear you like advanced as it's one of the soys that looks absolutely beautiful but hardly throws at all, very finicky wax with FO my customers want soy and I'm at my wits end figuring this out 415 will still get me by wicking down but it's a crap load of more tests to be sure each fragrance is going to work well going this route - some may need to go down 2 sizes 🙈 I am going to introduce a couple different blends I have been testing slowly in tins to see the reaction and feedback I get from people and hopefully they will come around so I can just move on from this straight soy crap once and for all - and it does make me sad because I LOVED my 415! Maybe I was just lucky on the FOs I was using (But I use about 75 different ones) and for the most part had great success with Advanced. However, my soy line was much smaller than my parasoy or parrafin lines. Its not that I loved Advanced... I just preferred it over everything else so far. And I dont hate 415... just dont like it by itself. Don't like the way it looks (often) or the way it performs. Its better for blending... at least for me. I would totally avoid soy if it was up to me... except there are 2 reasons I keep using it: 1) Many customers ask or insist on it (they usually dont have good reasons, but thats irrelevant) 2) far less soot or at least black soot on the jars.... even siginificantly better than parasoys in my opinon. So on jars with shoulders, this is really noticeable I mostly use 6006.... which is a total PITA to wick properly.. but makes a great overall candle. Still will product more soot than all soy though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 So 6006 is the comparable to Clarus 3020, I always thought it was the 3022 but I was Wrong that said 3020 and 6006 have a higher percentage of paraffin which makes sense it would soot more have you ever tried the 3022? This is 70 percent veggies 30 paraffin and it's a very nice wax with very good ct and ht and wicked correctly hardly any soot at all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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