GirlWithTheCurl Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Couldn't decide where to post this, here or on natural candles.Tossed a coin. It appears that Wikipedia has updated their info on soy wax and soy candles:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean_waxhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soy_candleIronically, the link was found on a paraffin basher's website. Hope this provides you with some fight-back ammo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicky_CO Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 That is interesting. I do both and I am glad the truth is finally being told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairieannie Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 VERY interesting! Thank you for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Di_in_AZ Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Thank you for posting that. Those who know me on the board know that that is what I tout everytime the soy/paraffin debate rears its ugly head--as soon as you add FOs, dyes, etc., it is just as "toxic" as paraffin. Also note that 30 paraffin candles burning 3 hours in one room produce less toxins than one cigarette--just shows how people manipulate data to shock/scare people into buying. Very good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlebug Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Can I have an Amen for the Truth! Glory Be Sista!Hehe just really glad to see this. I do both by the way, and just tired of hearing the scare tatics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharon in KY Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Good info, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Oh is the kitty purring! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Di_in_AZ Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Oh is the kitty purring!LOL I knew you would be here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girlyracer Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Well, that's put the cat amongst the pigeons! Most interesting article. Wonder what people will argue about now.Ruby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henryk Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 What a great article - except "Essential Oils are available and a bit more costly, but unless they are pure, they also contain chemicals."All Essential Oils contain chemicals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ah-soy Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Ah well, I'm gonna die of something someday. Hope I go with a candle blazin' in a bath full of bubbles and essential oils. What a way to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honebun Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 I've just started using soy and must say I prefer paraffin lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 I think I'll print this and show it to all of the people who tell me that I should be working with soy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgirl Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 How about that... Thanks for sharing.. Good Read... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janelle Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Well it's about time. thanks for sharing that information! I always knew, I just didn't want an argument with anyone regarding that topic. Thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane42 Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 We have been adding soy to our product line little by little. I still have not "warmed up to it". I am doing large jars for a wedding - the bride wants 100% soy - no fo, nothing. That's great, except they just don't look very pretty to me. I am hoping the reception hall lights them early so by the time we get there the top is melted and not looking funky!! lolI still prefer the paraffin..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollyberry Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Well, that's put the cat amongst the pigeons! Most interesting article. Wonder what people will argue about now.RubyLOL that is what I was thinking too... thanks for sharing the articles...very interesting:grin2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 LOL I knew you would be here But of course! I don't bash any waxes, though several do. I don't see a point to it, but if anyone has a weird range of un-ordinary questions tossed at them, we get it. This will go well with our informational flyer and give people a chance to research for their own. And yet people get so ... what is it ... pursed at the lips when someone points out those faults. Let's hope those people chose to read as well and maybe quit bloating the myths that have led to some real doosies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMommy Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Ok, this is very odd! I posted a reply here and now it's not displayed! I think I may need another cup of coffee:p I am glad to see this information in writing! I am so very tired of the false information that is being verbally spread about paraffin. Nice to see this in writting! Thanks for posting!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chauntelle Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Youve just solved my problem of how to explain to a customer that parrafin isnt all that bad, definatly wont be changing waxes now!!!Great article!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everito Bandito Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Yeppers, this part from the first link is what we seldom hear:"It's been a long passed myth that soy wax is a safer alternative to paraffin and cheaper than beeswax. A soy candle can be just as dangerous as a paraffin.Because of the addition of chemicals to soy beans to make them into a viable wax, it is generally equal to paraffin and beeswax for biodegradable waxes. Another fact, which is not required to be disclosed by soy wax manufacturers is that almost all soy waxes have some paraffin added in the creation portion. This is also stated in the Michael Richards patent. [1] Significantly, several components listed are chemicals. Paraffin is the most common synthetic wax.Soy is also listed as a known allergen by the FDA, so if a person have reactions to soy, paraffin can be a safe alternative. Additionaly, as stated in Richards' patent declaration, iodine occurs as well, so people with iodine sensitivity should be cautious with soy wax. Paraffin is used in medical, food, and many other applications."and this part from the second link:"A common myth with soy candles is the idea that they burn with less soot than paraffin candles. A properly made candle will have very little soot - if at all - with proper upkeep and wick trims, this includes beeswax and paraffin, and many other waxes available. A poorly made soy candle can actually have many times more soot than a paraffin candle."and this:"Also, because each candle maker is different and adds different items, the vast majority of soy candles are no less toxic than paraffin or beeswax. In some cases, with the chemical choices of makers, they can be more toxic than paraffin candles.Most myths of soy wax are based on sales tactics, or misinformation spread through ill knowledge, some intentional, some not. There are so many combinations of any candle that can change even the slightest bit of properties for any of them, resulting in different burning."Imagine That :smiley2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 All it means is that someone managed to get their opinion onto Wikipedia. Much as I'm sympathetic to the spin, the articles are among the poorest quality I've seen and need massive cleaning up.Better yet, they should be rewritten by someone qualified. The most expert people in the candle industry when it comes to wax are chemists. Someone who thinks "aromatic compounds" refers to fragrance oil certainly isn't a chemist. There are tons of embarrassing gaffs, inaccuracies and distortions.Unless something is written with authority and credibility, it's of limited value in advancing or refuting anyone's argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEP Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Top, I've got a question. After reading this string and the mentioned Wikipedia info, I can't help but wonder if what I was told about the GB soy (by an employee of GB) is true. I was told that it is the same product used to make Hardees biscuits. If that is fact, are people eating carcinogins & paraffin when they eat a biscuit? Or was Michael Richards referring to his invention/product?I use both soy and paraffin, and both can have a beautiful burn with no soot if wicked properly. It has always gotten my dander up when anyone tries to knock either of them. They are both good products.Sandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Top, I've got a question. After reading this string and the mentioned Wikipedia info, I can't help but wonder if what I was told about the GB soy (by an employee of GB) is true. I was told that it is the same product used to make Hardees biscuits. If that is fact, are people eating carcinogins & paraffin when they eat a biscuit? Or was Michael Richards referring to his invention/product?I'm sure what the employee told you is true. The GB "straight soy" products used for candlemaking are flaked vegetable shortening. Mostly they sell it to the food industry for baking, frying or whatever. It's produced by hydrogenating vegetable oil, which results in a product that's solid at room temperature and also creates tons of those trans-fats that you're not supposed to eat.Those products have no paraffin in them that I know of. They're mediocre materials for candlemaking when used straight. Sometimes emulsifiers or non-soy oils are added to improve them for that purpose (for instance GB 435, 444, 464), but the better waxes are blends of vegetable-derived and petroleum-derived materials (for instance IGI 6006).I'm not sure that anyone outside of candlemaking calls that stuff soy. That's a buzzword to give it some mystique and create positive associations in the minds of candle purchasers. Kind of sets it apart from something that might be used by KFC.In my mind, the term "soy" is best applied to soy protein products rather than soy oil products. The two are often confused. People with allergies are probably affected by the protein products rather than salad oil. Traditionally, eating soybeans for protein has been a little ghetto with the exception of tofu, but modern science has invented various products that increase the value of the soybean crop and give trendy eaters an alternative to real food.By the way, you do eat paraffin too. For instance, apples and cucumbers can be coated with it. Most of it is food-grade material. It doesn't cause cancer and it's not "synthetic wax". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Ford Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 ...and your pills (medication) is coated with it..its in your chewing gum...and on and on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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