birdcharm Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Most likely, this has been discussed before, but I went on a search and didn't come up with anything, so I'm going to ask! I've read discussions about securing wicks -- I've always used a high density candle gel -- dip the wick into the gel, land it in the glass, press down all around, wait for it to cool. And, I recently saw that someone here used tacky wax -- I found my little stash of tacky wax, so I'm going to give that a try and see how I like that. Anyway, I'm out of gel right now, so thought about getting a glue gun. I see that there are also dip/melting pots where the glue is placed into the little pot which looks interesting to me, esp. for wick tabs, but I would need to learn more about them. I've read (here) that a high temp glue gun is what to look for ... is that a 20 watt? I'm a little confused, as I've seen 40 watt ones, which may be the one I'm supposed to get; and, I've seen 10 watt that say "high temp," but I think they're lying. Does anyone here have experience with the melting pot method and if so, what type of glue is best used for those? It does seem that I will need to purchase glue gun sticks that are for the higher temp gun, as they do not appear to all be the same -- is this true? I'm thinking for a gun that I should get a dual temp and look into the melt pot method later. I saw that there is a type of glue they use with those that won't "string" -- I guess people use those with silk flowers. Thanks for any tips! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trappeur Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Are you trying to glue down a wick that has the metal wick tab atttached to it in a candle jar? I really don't understand what your talking about. I've never heard of anything like what your talking about. Trappeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdcharm Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 (edited) Yes, the metal wick tab that gets glued to the bottom of the glass container -- in other words, rather than using the wick stickers (I may try some stickems some time, but the glue dots seem to come undone for me). P.S. I apologize for the confusion ... I left a word out up there, I should have said that I have always used candle gel by dipping the wick TAB into the gel. Edited November 7, 2016 by birdcharm Add P.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdcharm Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 For instance, here is the little melting pot goodie .... on ebay This says it's 40-watts ... so, I'm thinking these would work as long as I purchase the proper type of glue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdcharm Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 Oops ... sorry ... it says 40 watts in the description area, but photo of package says 10 watts, so I guess that particular type would not work if the glue needs to be hotter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdcharm Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 Here's the link to one of the glue options for that melt pot though, which seems as though it would be pretty sturdy. Surebonder B-2001 Diamond Cube High Strength Hot Melt Skillet Glue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trappeur Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 I don't know...but why don't you try the wick stickums that candle suppliers offer like Bittercreek, Flaming, Aztec ( companies that I recommend) from my experience. At least the wick stickums are made specifically for glass containers. I was reading on the specifics of the hot glue sticks in your links and I don't see anything that says made for glass. Me personally as I sell to shops, I'm not willing to experiment with something that isn't recognized by the candle industry as I couldn't take the chance of a mishap with someone burning a candle and the wick release from the jar. I've read more negative comments from others not liking glue dots than liking. Now I do know that the red GE silicone gasket sealer is another option that is terrific as I have used it b/4 in an emergency and is highly recommended by others who have used it. I'm sure there are mixed reviews on this discussion and there are some that do have good experience with glue dots or other things, but me personally, I'm not willing to take the chance. And besides that seems like a lot of work than to just stick a stickum to the wick. This is just my opinion..... Trappeur 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdcharm Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 So, the hot glue adhesives are not meant for glass at all? I thought some candlemakers used glue guns to fasten their wick tabs. Maybe I've misunderstood that completely! Thanks for your advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trappeur Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 (edited) No, I didn't say that Birdcharm....I just didn't see anything about using for glass. I know others use glue sticks and I don't want to down anyone at all. It's just we all have our opinions, you know what I mean? Hopefully others will chime in here and give their opinions also. It doesn't hurt to try what you have found, you know?. They may be great. Just don't know till you test them. Trappeur Edited November 7, 2016 by Trappeur 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdcharm Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 I understand about the glass issue ... I guess I was thinking that if people use the high heat guns successfully, then perhaps the melt pots with a high heat glue may work. Pardon my wanderings, Trappeur -- I'm always one to experiment for some reason! Actually, with the stickums, I see that not all suppliers offer them, which would mean if I started using them without having another option (besides my gel method, which I'd like to get away from since I'm not making gel candles much anymore), then I would be somewhat "tied" to some suppliers that I don't usually purchase from -- my own problem, I know! I think I'll buy a high temp gun and see how it goes, but the pots with the non-streaming glue sounds inviting if it worked since I'm already in the habit, going on about twenty years now, of dipping wick tabs into a gooey liquid to plop them into the glass to secure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trappeur Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Let us know how it goes! Trappeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfroberts Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 I wouldn't recommend using glue dots or hot glue. Sometimes I use high temp hot glue to secure wicks I am testing, mostly for tins and shallow containers, because it's easy to remove the glue and reuse the container. I would never recommend using hot glue for a candle you were going to sell. Under high heat it does become much less effective, and I've had numerous wicks come loose when the candle was low and had a FMP at the bottom. Use the stickems or the red permatex. I use the stickems because they are cheap and easy. I've never had one to fail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdcharm Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 Okay ... thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 @bfroberts quick question. I am considering switching to permatex. Right now I'm using a glue gun and warm the jars before adding the glue/wick for better glass adhesion. I assume I will have to skip this step? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clear Black Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Lori said: @bfroberts quick question. I am considering switching to permatex. Right now I'm using a glue gun and warm the jars before adding the glue/wick for better glass adhesion. I assume I will have to skip this step? I switched to permatex as well and dont heat the jars. Isnt nescesary imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdcharm Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 If you use the Permatex on a jar or glass -- let's say a personal tester -- is there a way to remove it so you can reuse the same jar to test again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Nope....not easily anyways I tried and tried and don't have time to soak them for testers I use wick stick ums and sale jars the red permatex gasket sealer because I know it isn't going anywhere no matter what you do 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsessed Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 stickums work well for me ... the glue gun I use is a cheapy , ok on tealights but not so with glass. Also , with stickums you can reposition if really necessary , but once that hot glue touches the surface it sets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdcharm Posted April 3, 2017 Author Share Posted April 3, 2017 On 4/1/2017 at 10:44 PM, moonshine said: Nope....not easily anyways I tried and tried and don't have time to soak them for testers I use wick stick ums and sale jars the red permatex gasket sealer because I know it isn't going anywhere no matter what you do Thanks ... so, are you saying that if you use the heavy duty stuff that there IS a way to remove them by "soaking" them ... what would you use to soak them in? If I have a nice glass or jar I don't know that I'd like to have a permanent fixture of a wick tab stuck to the bottom after the candle has burned so I can't use it for anything else at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandlekrazy Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Hot soapy water soak will usually work to get permatex up or I let mine go through the dishwasher and sometimes it takes twice and you have to remove it while the jar is still hot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trappeur Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Birdcharm, did you ever get your stickums or whatever you were going to use figured out? Like everyone said if you get a glue, get the GE red silicone gasket sealer glue. It sticks to stay....but like everyone said it is a bugger to remove... but it works. Have you not tried any of the stickums yet? I don't think you would be disappointed. Just get from a reputable company. If you want to try some, I have to go to the post office to mail out some packages tomorrow and I can send you some to try. Just make sure your jars are clean. Some have a waxy film on the inside. I usually wipe them out with alchohol or wash them with hot soapy water because you want the stickums and glue if you use to stick.....so important. It will make your life so much easier than getting a melting pot...etc..... Trappeur 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 7 hours ago, birdcharm said: Thanks ... so, are you saying that if you use the heavy duty stuff that there IS a way to remove them by "soaking" them ... what would you use to soak them in? If I have a nice glass or jar I don't know that I'd like to have a permanent fixture of a wick tab stuck to the bottom after the candle has burned so I can't use it for anything else at all. I honestly couldn't tell you - you can't pull them off alone is all I know even with pliers and twisting I have read before someone saying soaking them you can remove it but I don't remember with what and never tried if your making candles for yourself the wick stickums work wonderful because they do come off easily and alcohol removes the sticky residue if any is left after washing the permatex I only use for sale jars for safety reasons so that I know that wick isn't coming loose no matter what 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdcharm Posted April 3, 2017 Author Share Posted April 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Trappeur said: ... did you ever get your stickums or whatever you were going to use figured out? I have been using a high temp heat gun, which creates a good seal for me ... I gave up the dipping pot idea, but the "no stringing" glue sounded interesting. Some day, I will pick up some stickers when I'm ordering from a place that has them, but "no" on the glue dots, as I have tried those before. Thanks for your offer Trappeur, you have a wonderful southern hospiltality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdcharm Posted April 3, 2017 Author Share Posted April 3, 2017 ... sorry for typo!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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