I only read about 3/4 of this thread since it's 9 pages long lol but I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in . I've always used 4794 since the beginning. But then again, I don't do containers or pillars. But I needed a wax that would make my life as simple as possible for multi purposes. Calms, dipped items, votives, etc. I can't remember if Vybar is in 4794 or not, but I do know it's a pre blend. I'm thinking it is in it. I've always had amazing CT and HT from almost every scent I've ever tried. Sure , out of trying about 400 total to either test or carry, sure I had a few that wouldn't have thrown if you'd stood on top of the Empire State building and threw the mess off LOL We all some FO's hate some waxes and there's nothing you can tweak or turn to make it work. If someone has ever used 4794 AND added Vybar to it, can you tell me how it worked out for you? I've always been pleased with my wax and how it's acted, but if adding a lil vybar to it will push it into the stratosphere, I'm game ! Vybar is cheap LOL