Pretty sad with what is going on with these suppliers lately. We should have a new thread up soon about how wonderful the FOs are or something similar. Many of us like CW and their products, that isn't disputed. The problem is info that not only is wrong with what we all know but info that is conflicting within the same site or high shipping costs, which Bill did address with a shipping sale, to his credit. Either these places are trashing their customers if they dare say a word (not CW), sending out wrong products (not CW), sending 5 days after ordering (not CW), giving wrong info (CW & another), and who knows whatever else. Facts are facts and the suppliers need to fix these issues without being glossed over with transparent follow up threads so we help each other and get suppliers to get their act together. I'm going to continue to add my FO at 180-185 degrees. My rant is over.