I usually use stearin when I make my rustics, but for some reason I used vybar by mistake in 2 pillars the other day, when they were setting up they looked strange, kind of creamy looking, I thought I had used container wax by mistake until I saw the vybar packet on the side :undecided They turned out all smooth and very shiny - is that what vybar is suppsed to do? lol Anjie,x.