Leslie, I found that link before. All that's available is shipping scales from there-no tare feature. Is this the kind of scale some of you use? I was thinking more along the lines of a kitchen scale I guess and he doesn't have them on ebay now. I really was wanting to use these certificates. Bunny, I don't make huge batches-usually around 3 lbs so far. Have been playing with B&B so small increments probably makes sense. Thanks All, Glo