ShoogieScents Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I have NO clue what caused this. I have been reading this board for a couple months now and have not come across ANY candles as horrific as these:mad: I used CO for the first time last night. Here is all I used with these test batches..#116oz MoonGlow Contianer Blend Soy Wax1 oz FO1T COHeated to 185, added FO and ColorCooled to 105 and poured#216oz GB 4151.5 oz FO1T COHeated to 185, added FO and ColorCooled to 105 and poured#316oz MoonGlow Contianer Blend Soy Wax1.5 oz FO1T COHeated to 185, added FO and ColorCooled to 95 and pouredWhat I don't understand is I made up a couple 3oz containers without wicks with the leftover wax and these turned out nothing like the ones above...Thanks for any advice you may have. I don't think I used to much FO. I hope it is not the CO as I really was hoping that would help the candles out, not MORPH them...Thanks,Bobbiewww.ShoogieDesignz.comDesigner Websites, Boutiques & More... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LightofDawn Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Bobbi,It is hard to tell from the photos, but is there little crystal like granules on the tops. If so, I had the same thing happen with mine. No clue why??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accents Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 You might want to try pouring hotter. Could also be the rate at which they're cooling. I've gotten that spongy-ness in my candles before (using a different wax), but I'm sorry to say I don't remember what I determined to cause it. Try remelting them and see if they set up better (you might lose your wicks since they're already trimmed, but you could just pour into a pour pot or another jar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridith Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Soy will sometimes do this. Just hit the tops with a heat gun and don't worry much about it. It is another one of those soy things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle Makin Momma Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 yeah jusr use the heat gun. MIne do that when i pour too hot. But those are awesome looking!! lol very cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tereasa Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I was going to say what candle makin momma said... this usually happens to me when I'm not patient enough and pour my soy hot. The heat gun is your best friend sometimes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoogieScents Posted July 23, 2007 Author Share Posted July 23, 2007 But these were poured at 95 & 105... Is that still too hot? I have just never seen any pics of them being this BAD..LOL Thanks,Bobbiewww.ShoogieDesignz.comDesigner Websites, Boutiques & More... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I suggest decreasing the amount of coconut oil and pouring at 125°. The candles without wicks did the same thing - it's just the crust on top did not have the wick there to contract to. It also looks like uneven cooling. Was there a draft? Fan? Air conditionr vent? I am not familiar with the type of wax that you use. We use Universal Soy Additive from JBN to help make the wax smoother and more homogeneous. Your wax may already contain something like this, so you'd want to check with your supplier/manufacturer first. A heat gun should smooth out the tops. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandlekrazy Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Looks like the coconut oil coming out on top of the candles, but maybe not. I've had tops come up looking like cellulite with wicks and my wickless from the same batch are smooth as can be. I tend to think it's air trying to go to the wick to escape, but I'm not sure. If you heat gun them and still have white on top then I think the CO didn't incorporate well enough, even the smooth tops look pearly (I personally like the look on the wickless.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavenScentU Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 I never have seen that before. If I saw that I would contact the place where I purchased it and ask for help in resolving it. Is it throughout the candle or just on top? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharon in KY Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Don't think it's the coconut oil cause I get this all the time. With tarts it happens if I pour a little cooler that hot. Also if I have a tray on top so it cools slower....sometimes.... With candles it's when I pour hot cause my first pour is cool second is hot and this happens most times. At least the look of the last two. The top ones are a little lacer than I have ever gotten and I have gotten the flaky look with soy for years. But only sometimes, I have never got the same look all the time, never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Is this the first time you've used CO? Sorry, I see you said it was. I got something similar when I used it. Maybe try less. I haven't had a chance to do more testing with it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverm00n Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 I've had this happen with 444. As I didn't add anything to it, I determined it was caused by the low PT. Try upping it even to 130. The heat gun is a temporary fix IMO, because once you start burning, it may very well set up that way again. I have never used your wax either, but make one with the CO and one without, up the PT and see what happens. Make sure all your additives are incorporated really well too. ~HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassy-girl Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Turn Off the AC, The room is Much Cooler than you are pouring at and the Tops are cooling off much more quickly than the rest of the jar. I correct this By hitting everything with a Heatgun before it leaves my shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berrycreekcandles Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 My first batch that I tested with CO did this! I think I added too much, I decreased it to 1 1/2 tsp. and have not had th problem since! Hope that helps! But too you can fix them with a heat gun or hair dryer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexie Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 i think you have 2 great answers here. i poured last night and tried 125 and i got some odd finishes at that temp. i think i am sticking to the 140 area but i use c3. can i ask what you add the co for?thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexie Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 whoops, found the co thread, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMommy Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Sounds like you have some excellent suggestions here! I believe the CO suggested use is 1/2 T per pound. When used at higer amounts there have been some problems reported in testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 i poured last night and tried 125 and i got some odd finishes at that temp. i think i am sticking to the 140 area but i use c3. can i ask what you add the co for?Not sure what "odd finishes" means... Did you use dye and FO, with your C3? If so, what... For C3 tops, we have found that using Universal Soy Additive (from JBN) plus tempering the wax yielded smoooth tops. The coconut oil (1/2 Tablespoonful per pound) is to help control frosting. Best to work one issue at a time until you get things dialed in. Good luck! HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LightofDawn Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Stella, Can I ask how much USA you use per pound of wax? ThanksDawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 JBN recommends about 1 Tablespoonful per pound. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LightofDawn Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 JBN recommends about 1 Tablespoonful per pound. HTH Thanks Stella, I will give that a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexie Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 the odd finishes were alittle hummmmmmmmmmm, not smooth, a bit crystally, almost rough like when you add waaaay to much fo (by accident), maybe a bit flakey looking. at 140 i get a nice smooth top but usually i get a, not really sink "hole", but the top drops slightly and i get a crack around the wick, a circular indentation. i gave up on color so i use no dye anymore just 1 oz of fo per lb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexie Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 the odd finishes were alittle hummmmmmmmmmm, not smooth, a bit crystally, almost rough like when you add waaaay to much fo (by accident), maybe a bit flakey looking. at 140 i get a nice smooth top but usually i get a, not really sink "hole", but the top drops slightly and i get a crack around the wick, a circular indentation. i gave up on color so i use no dye anymore just 1 oz of fo per lb. oops, stella this was for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoogieScents Posted July 25, 2007 Author Share Posted July 25, 2007 i think you have 2 great answers here. i poured last night and tried 125 and i got some odd finishes at that temp. i think i am sticking to the 140 area but i use c3. can i ask what you add the co for?thanks!I added the CO because I have heard that is supposed to HELP the tops with frosting,etc.. Thanks,Bobbiewww.ShoogieDesignz.comDesigner Websites, Boutiques & More... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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