Paintguru Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) This may be a really stupid question, but how has everyone setup a workflow to get consistent images of products? Obviously we don't all take product pictures on the same day (at least I don't think we do). Do you have a dedicated camera setup that doesn't move so you get the exact same image each time? Do you eyeball your crops so everything is close? I'm a bit OCD, so if I see any slight differences in product images, I get annoyed! Edited October 28, 2020 by Paintguru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Paintguru said: This may be a really stupid question, but how has everyone setup a workflow to get consistent images of products? Obviously we don't all take product pictures on the same day (at least I don't think we do). Do you have a dedicated camera setup that doesn't move so you get the exact same image each time? Do you eyeball your crops so everything is close? I'm a bit OCD, so if I see any slight differences in product images, I get annoyed! When you solve this I am all ears. ive marked levels and angles on my camera tripod, And taped the floor where it stands, but still am not any good at it 😢. Camera settings get reset to the “good ones” and lighting just so. tuning the raw image in photoshop Is tedious. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 The more I think about identical photos, the more I think it is not really 100% necessary. As long as the photos are cohesive in a thematic way they can be successful. For instance, this Etsy shop has 29,000 sales and every photo is pretty much different, but fits well with the shop. https://www.etsy.com/shop/ArtisanWitchcrafts?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=806809120§ion_id=7034138 This one has 30,000 and also has similar styling but not identical. https://www.etsy.com/shop/TheShabbyWitch?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=187727799 another icon with 37,000 sales also has the same styling but different product photo settings for each https://www.etsy.com/shop/ForStrangeWomen overall styling seems much more effective than identical settings, or stark backgrounds. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paintguru Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) So I think it depends if it LOOKS like you're trying to take the same picture/style, but not achieving it vs. clearly making an effort to have different looks. To me, the images in all 3 of those are clearly different enough where I don't FEEL like they tried and failed to have the same image for each (if that makes sense). In my case, I'm going for a plain white background, but between images, the jar is not always in the exact same place and the lighting seems to change slightly between images, so I have a perception of poor quality image recreation. Edited October 28, 2020 by Paintguru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizzy Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, TallTayl said: The more I think about identical photos, the more I think it is not really 100% necessary. As long as the photos are cohesive in a thematic way they can be successful. For instance, this Etsy shop has 29,000 sales and every photo is pretty much different, but fits well with the shop. https://www.etsy.com/shop/ArtisanWitchcrafts?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=806809120§ion_id=7034138 This one has 30,000 and also has similar styling but not identical. https://www.etsy.com/shop/TheShabbyWitch?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=187727799 another icon with 37,000 sales also has the same styling but different product photo settings for each https://www.etsy.com/shop/ForStrangeWomen overall styling seems much more effective than identical settings, or stark backgrounds. well hot diggidy dog...thx for the witchy links ....love them!!!! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 23 minutes ago, Paintguru said: So I think it depends if it LOOKS like you're trying to take the same picture/style, but not achieving it vs. clearly making an effort to have different looks. To me, the images in all 3 of those are clearly different enough where I don't FEEL like they tried and failed to have the same image for each (if that makes sense). In my case, I'm going for a plain white background, but between images, the jar is not always in the exact same place and the lighting seems to change slightly between images, so I have a perception of poor quality image recreation. The stark white backgrounds are the hardest of all. any differences really do stand out like a sore thumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paintguru Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 Maybe I switch to non-white/staged backgrounds. I waffle between the two types for what is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Paintguru said: Maybe I switch to non-white/staged backgrounds. I waffle between the two types for what is best. this would be a great picture journey in this thread ❤️ I just worked on new pics yesterday and will be happy to share for critique for the exercise also. 😃 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paintguru Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 Here are two that I feel are different enough to give me a *blah* reaction. I see white balance differences and small perspective differences. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Have you heard of a free app called Fotofuze? I remove white backgrounds and can replace with a controlled background in Canva or similar app. This helps disguise slight lighting variations. Fotofuze - highlight your item, then process to quickly remove the background Use the image as-is, or apply something like Canva to make instagram, etc. layouts. You could just pick a background you like (white on white with controlled gradients) and plop your image on it. This would let you totally control size bit by bit. I used GIMP to create a .PNG of the jar so the background of the jar would be transparent. PNG files can be layered to make any layout you want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paintguru Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 Wow, that's pretty cool!! I just took this one as a "busier background", but maybe I just go with your method of controlling the white background images. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Colorful, eye catching and festive. what’s neat about layering is you can use the same product image with any backdrop to create seasonal appeal with a few clicks versus setting up the photo equipment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paintguru Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 Well the one I posted is a real photo, but I agree that if we create transparent product photos, we can drop them into any background. Do you just pull backgrounds from Canva? I've tinkered with Canva a few times, but I'm no expert. I don't want to steal any secrets, but knowing how to create different images with the same product photo would be super useful. I already like the stark white, auto cropped images from FotoFuse! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Paintguru said: Well the one I posted is a real photo, but I agree that if we create transparent product photos, we can drop them into any background. Do you just pull backgrounds from Canva? I've tinkered with Canva a few times, but I'm no expert. I don't want to steal any secrets, but knowing how to create different images with the same product photo would be super useful. I already like the stark white, auto cropped images from FotoFuse! “Free” Canva is pretty limited, so I look for nice backgrounds through google searches. i’m super new to canva, but like how easy it is to create attractive layouts. I may kick in $ for the pro version to eliminate the fotofuze step of removing the background. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Holy crap, the background eraser in the Pro Canva version is EASY! Literally click and it is gone with none of the weird highlighing of other white areas on the label like with fotofuze. Plopped one of the zillion background from pro to this in maybe 10 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paintguru Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 Interesting!!! And not completely Photoshopy looking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild4waxmelts Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 3 hours ago, TallTayl said: The more I think about identical photos, the more I think it is not really 100% necessary. As long as the photos are cohesive in a thematic way they can be successful. For instance, this Etsy shop has 29,000 sales and every photo is pretty much different, but fits well with the shop. https://www.etsy.com/shop/ArtisanWitchcrafts?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=806809120§ion_id=7034138 This one has 30,000 and also has similar styling but not identical. https://www.etsy.com/shop/TheShabbyWitch?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=187727799 another icon with 37,000 sales also has the same styling but different product photo settings for each https://www.etsy.com/shop/ForStrangeWomen overall styling seems much more effective than identical settings, or stark backgrounds. The images for "ForStrangeWomen" are fantastic. As I keep repeating: I'm new to Craftserver and all these avenues involved in the Scented Stratosphere! I never even thought about the images...but then again I don't look at many seller/vendor shops. I would venture to guess that from the looks of ForStrangeWomen Etsy shop images, some hire Photographers to do all their shoots. t (I don't want to speak for them but wow: their imagery!) The quality is THAT good. Getting the contrast super sharp on engraved lettering even when zoomed in is not easy. I'm a Graphic Designer and there's no way I'd be up to that level of perfection using the balance, threshold, HDR toning, let alone filters...OH MY!!! I could get lost in looking at the imagery and be glad It's an avenue I don't need/want to touch! 4 hours ago, TallTayl said: The more I think about identical photos, the more I think it is not really 100% necessary. As long as the photos are cohesive in a thematic way they can be successful. For instance, this Etsy shop has 29,000 sales and every photo is pretty much different, but fits well with the shop. https://www.etsy.com/shop/ArtisanWitchcrafts?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=806809120§ion_id=7034138 This one has 30,000 and also has similar styling but not identical. https://www.etsy.com/shop/TheShabbyWitch?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=187727799 another icon with 37,000 sales also has the same styling but different product photo settings for each https://www.etsy.com/shop/ForStrangeWomen overall styling seems much more effective than identical settings, or stark backgrounds. 4 hours ago, TallTayl said: The more I think about identical photos, the more I think it is not really 100% necessary. As long as the photos are cohesive in a thematic way they can be successful. For instance, this Etsy shop has 29,000 sales and every photo is pretty much different, but fits well with the shop. https://www.etsy.com/shop/ArtisanWitchcrafts?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=806809120§ion_id=7034138 This one has 30,000 and also has similar styling but not identical. https://www.etsy.com/shop/TheShabbyWitch?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=187727799 another icon with 37,000 sales also has the same styling but different product photo settings for each https://www.etsy.com/shop/ForStrangeWomen overall styling seems much more effective than identical settings, or stark backgrounds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, Paintguru said: Interesting!!! And not completely Photoshopy looking! That was with zero training. I'm sure you can work toward something super sharp and realistic in no time Have fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild4waxmelts Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 I just realized that with my subscription to the Adobe Creative Cloud, it comes with a program/app called "Adobe Dimension." I pay for the whole Creative Cloud because I use more apps than I don't so it's cheaper that way. I've never even noticed Dimensions before but from what I'm reading about it it sounds amazing, and possibly the answer to some of your questions. The link to Adobe Dimensions alone is: https://www.adobe.com/products/dimension.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwreT8BRDTARIsAJLI0KJnDZ8VkR2_RUw8c35_sMXNHyUAn7_C2WW2-hbqafd-eYtNnWb9mrEaAjg_EALw_wcB&sdid=KKQKO&mv=search&ef_id=Cj0KCQjwreT8BRDTARIsAJLI0KJnDZ8VkR2_RUw8c35_sMXNHyUAn7_C2WW2-hbqafd-eYtNnWb9mrEaAjg_EALw_wcB:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!3085!3!332972171938!e!!g!!adobe dimension The link to the full Adobe Creative Cloud is: https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud.html I pay monthly ($52.99) for the Single User plan as I've always had my own Design Studio. It's cheaper to pay one price for the year but with my health issues....enough said. I also pay extra for Adobe Stock (Images) which is $29.99 monthly. THey ley you roll over your unused image count which is great!!! SO now I'm curious: anyone here use Adobe Dimension??? Reviews, samples, complaints, etc would be great LOL!! Thanks, Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild4waxmelts Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, wild4waxmelts said: I just realized that with my subscription to the Adobe Creative Cloud, it comes with a program/app called "Adobe Dimension." I pay for the whole Creative Cloud because I use more apps than I don't so it's cheaper that way. I've never even noticed Dimensions before but from what I'm reading about it it sounds amazing, and possibly the answer to some of your questions. The link to Adobe Dimensions alone is: https://www.adobe.com/products/dimension.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwreT8BRDTARIsAJLI0KJnDZ8VkR2_RUw8c35_sMXNHyUAn7_C2WW2-hbqafd-eYtNnWb9mrEaAjg_EALw_wcB&sdid=KKQKO&mv=search&ef_id=Cj0KCQjwreT8BRDTARIsAJLI0KJnDZ8VkR2_RUw8c35_sMXNHyUAn7_C2WW2-hbqafd-eYtNnWb9mrEaAjg_EALw_wcB:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!3085!3!332972171938!e!!g!!adobe dimension The link to the full Adobe Creative Cloud is: https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud.html I pay monthly ($52.99) for the Single User plan as I've always had my own Design Studio. It's cheaper to pay one price for the year but with my health issues....enough said. I also pay extra for Adobe Stock (Images) which is $29.99 monthly. THey ley you roll over your unused image count which is great!!! SO now I'm curious: anyone here use Adobe Dimension??? Reviews, samples, complaints, etc would be great LOL!! Thanks, Karen A friend of mine just suggested searching YouTube for videos on Adobe Dimension by a guy named Dansky. I tried to add a link and I got some form or error....and errors are not our friends. The vdieo she suggested (by Danksy) is titled "Adobe Dimension CC Tutorial | 3D Product Mockups for Beginners" and has 523,161 views as of now, dated Jan. 24, 2019. I will try to drop the link in a new post for fear of losing this post entirely into the Twilight Zone. I'm sure it's happened to all of us in one medium or another!!! -Karen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild4waxmelts Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Dansky video mentioned above....attempt #3 and final!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM-3PydkMBg&t=13s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prs7979 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) I make my labels with Canva so I already have a Pro account so I messed with it a bit. I can't make it look not fake and not sure why? Angle? Resolution? Something else I'm not thinking of? Edit: I basically just threw this one together as an example, but every time I put a candle into one of these images it has this uncanny quality. Edited October 28, 2020 by prs7979 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 the angles for sure. I had that same problem with some I pulled from old Raw photo files. play with blur a little too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paintguru Posted October 29, 2020 Author Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, wild4waxmelts said: I just realized that with my subscription to the Adobe Creative Cloud, it comes with a program/app called "Adobe Dimension." I pay for the whole Creative Cloud because I use more apps than I don't so it's cheaper that way. I've never even noticed Dimensions before but from what I'm reading about it it sounds amazing, and possibly the answer to some of your questions. The link to Adobe Dimensions alone is: https://www.adobe.com/products/dimension.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwreT8BRDTARIsAJLI0KJnDZ8VkR2_RUw8c35_sMXNHyUAn7_C2WW2-hbqafd-eYtNnWb9mrEaAjg_EALw_wcB&sdid=KKQKO&mv=search&ef_id=Cj0KCQjwreT8BRDTARIsAJLI0KJnDZ8VkR2_RUw8c35_sMXNHyUAn7_C2WW2-hbqafd-eYtNnWb9mrEaAjg_EALw_wcB:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!3085!3!332972171938!e!!g!!adobe dimension The link to the full Adobe Creative Cloud is: https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud.html I pay monthly ($52.99) for the Single User plan as I've always had my own Design Studio. It's cheaper to pay one price for the year but with my health issues....enough said. I also pay extra for Adobe Stock (Images) which is $29.99 monthly. THey ley you roll over your unused image count which is great!!! SO now I'm curious: anyone here use Adobe Dimension??? Reviews, samples, complaints, etc would be great LOL!! Thanks, Karen I have the entire suite, so I'll look into it. EDIT: So Adobe Spark is Adobe's Canva competitor, not Dimensions. Dimensions appears to be more of a rendering package than anything to do with photos. Spark does have a background remover as well that looks pretty good. Edited October 29, 2020 by Paintguru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightLight Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 If you drop images into backgrounds, you need to adjust either the background with perspective, or fix the product perspective otherwise it looks fake. I would decide the look you want for example flatlay background to drop into. Then shoot you candles to fit flatlay for realistic blending. Now be a smarty pants. Dead giveaway for a fakey is your background has the light coming in from the left and product has light coming in from the right. Pay attention to quality of light in both images. White background are very hard to shoot. To be perfect you need multiple lights and lights are set at different f stops. Minimal cleanup with photoshop and realistic shadows. Dead giveaway to programs who separate images are the removal of all shadows. Products on white can look elegant, look at Irving Penns work. Graphically wonderful and something to strive for. Consistency use a tripod and same lighting technique. Or use feeling and props consistent with brand. Some brands like a dark feeling, you see that on Etsy quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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