Took a while to make......most of a day, but really enjoyed the challenge. To date I had only used paraffin (votives, tarts and containers) with excellent success. I have to admit it was your pillars Richard that led me to trying palm. Many many different effects / results so far. Pillars made without layers and cooled, wrapped in towels and covered by a box, had the most wonderful crystalline designs. The layered ones a totally different look. The first ones burned great with just a bit of tunneling. Went up one wick size and have found a good match. Yes I am enjoying the wonders of Palm. thank you all for the knowledge and insight and inspirations to try different techniques and ideas. I really appreciate all I have gotten here on the board. Dave