CiaoCiao Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) Hi, this is my first post! So I have been making coconut wax blend candles with a highly boosted FO and either I'm not wicking this bad boy properly or I am using too much FO? (There was no soot on the sides of the glass and it formed an even melt pool and I could smell the fragrance) but that char smell has to go! EWH 12% and 10% FO CD No. 8 Wick Coconut Wax Blend 8 oz glass cylinder. I have used smaller wicks and they dont form a burn pool under 3 hours. So I admit I left it burning for more than 4 hours and it naturally mushroomed, however, the wax smelled burnt. I have burned Voluspa and Diptyque way longer than I should have like 10 hours and it never smelled charred and those are highly fragranted candles... Any advice would be great! I really hate the smell of charr! Edited April 14, 2018 by CiaoCiao additional thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trappeur Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Hello Ciao, Here are some suggestions I would suggest for us to enable to better critique your candles and make suggestions. 1. Pictures if you can. 2. What size jar and where from (you did) 3. What size wicks and series.(can you be more specific as to what wicks went in what jars)? 4. How much oil did you use per pound of wax. (picture if you can) 5. What wax and where from did you use? (you say you used a blend....what waxes did you blend together)? 6. How long did you let the candles cure for b/4 you started burning the candles. I don't use that wax so really can't make much suggestions...but it seems like you have too much percentage of oil used. What does the supplier recommend for oil? Also generally you don't want to get a full melt pool for the 2'nd or 3'rd burnings....so that could be a possibility. Trappeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Could just be the wrong wick for the wax. Not all coconut waxes are great throwers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandlekrazy Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 I would try backing off some of the fo before you give up on the coconut wax. Try one at 6% and one at 8% and see how it does. I've never burned coconut wax with Eco's so I can't say how they do in that wax but it seems to be the correct size to start with for the jar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerven Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Assuming you're using an 8oz tumbler jar, I'd guess that the wick is too large and the FO too much. I would decrease the amount of FO first. Next, a smaller wick - CD 6 or ECO 8 maybe, depending on the wax (it could require an ECO 4 if it's a particularly soft wax). If that doesn't work, I'd take a look at the wax and FO to see if one or both could be the issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaoCiao Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 13 hours ago, Trappeur said: @Trappeur thanks so much! I will send some photos tomorrow Hello Ciao, Here are some suggestions I would suggest for us to enable to better critique your candles and make suggestions. 1. Pictures if you can. 2. What size jar and where from (you did) - jar was a 8 oz 3.14 diameter 3. What size wicks and series.(can you be more specific as to what wicks went in what jars)? CD8 4. How much oil did you use per pound of wax. (picture if you can) - I used (10%) 1.6 oz of oil per pound for one batch and then 12% per pound for other. 5. What wax and where from did you use? (you say you used a blend....what waxes did you blend together)? I used the CalCandle Supply Cocoblend 6. How long did you let the candles cure for b/4 you started burning the candles. - so dont laugh i didnt wait i normally wait a work or longer but I was an eager beaver and burned it the next day. Normally I always wait. I don't use that wax so really can't make much suggestions...but it seems like you have too much percentage of oil used. What does the supplier recommend for oil? Also generally you don't want to get a full melt pool for the 2'nd or 3'rd burnings....so that could be a possibility. So the supplier told me the wax can hold a good amount but I feel like I used way too much oil since it was highly concentrated. I am going to do another batch tomorrow and use 6 - 7% FO per pound. and possibly a smaller wick - Thanks so much for taking the time out for such a detailed reply! Pictures soon! Trappeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaoCiao Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 12 hours ago, kandlekrazy said: I would try backing off some of the fo before you give up on the coconut wax. Try one at 6% and one at 8% and see how it does. I've never burned coconut wax with Eco's so I can't say how they do in that wax but it seems to be the correct size to start with for the jar. @kandlekrazy Thanks so much! From reading all the replies I definitely think i need to scale back on the FO %'s. Thanks for the tip making new round soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaoCiao Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 9 hours ago, Kerven said: Assuming you're using an 8oz tumbler jar, I'd guess that the wick is too large and the FO too much. I would decrease the amount of FO first. Next, a smaller wick - CD 6 or ECO 8 maybe, depending on the wax (it could require an ECO 4 if it's a particularly soft wax). If that doesn't work, I'd take a look at the wax and FO to see if one or both could be the issue. @Kerven Thanks for the reply. I will use definitely go down on FO and try several wicks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaoCiao Posted June 22, 2018 Author Share Posted June 22, 2018 Sorry for the late updates!! My daytime job took over for a few weeks LOL! Heres two glasses filled w coco 83 wax blend | Eco 6 wick. I came to the conclusion it is the fragrance affecting the top candle. the top candle is the troublesome fragrance I only put 7% and it discolored the wax to a grayish color after only burning for 2.5 hours - it may look lumpy cause my clumsy self almost tripped and caught the glass LOL the bottom candle is perfect no issues w color ... I typically use ECO 8 as it gives me a clean wax pool w my glasses.. I tried the eco 6 to see if it would make difference - doesn’t quite form a good wax pool side to side but it performs fine w hot throw... just can’t figure out why the fragrance is turning grey when it cools... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trappeur Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) Well, till others come along and give their suggestions I'll tell you mine. They both look real nice in my opinion. Is this your first burn? You said they burned for 2 1/2 hours each, right? Well, you don't really need a full melt pool on the first couple burns as that wax in the jar will catch up and get a full melt pool the further down you go. You just have to keep burning them and see how it goes. But you have a nice scent, correct? Well that part is great! Keep testing away.....do you think the eco 8 was too big since you are trying an eco 6? If you could give some side shots that would be great also. Is that bottom jar a white jar or frosted or a piece of pottery? Keep up the good work...just the joys of the candle world....so far so good is what I see. Just curious...what fragrance is in those jars? You say you are using a highly boosted fragrance oil. What does that mean, highly boosted? Others will come along and chime in I'm sure.... Trappeur Edited June 22, 2018 by Trappeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaoCiao Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) @Trappeur Thanks for your quick reply and compliments on the candles!! You are correct about the melt pool i have noticed the further I burn with ECO 6 they eventually melt the side down. Yes this is my first burn on this set, I took the others advice and lowered the FO ratio and used a smaller wick. The scent throw is great in a 12x12 room. The bottom glass is a white glass and top is clear glass. See the side shot of the glass (again i almost tripped so the wax got messy LOL) The fragrance I used was a replica of a perfume I loved so the lab made an FO compatible with candles, so the first sample they gave me was great but I wanted a killer hot throw and they boosting the fragrance by taking out some of the diluent. This is what the lab sent me: If I make this 10 % stronger ( I am boosting fragrance chemicals and taking away some diluent) I am guessing this also may have had a adverse reaction with the discoloration but it sure does smell good LOL. I may have just answered my question about the discoloration. Now the challenge will be getting the lab to send me a new batch if it is indeed take out some diluent, YIKES!!!! Thanks again for your awesome feedback!! Edited June 23, 2018 by CiaoCiao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandlekrazy Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 That cleaned the sides nicely on the second burn! Some of my fo/wick combos cause discoloration. I actually would prefer that they discolored to grey instead of brown or yellow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaoCiao Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 @kandlekrazy I will take grey over brown too! LOLOL thank so much for the feedback! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaoCiao Posted June 24, 2018 Author Share Posted June 24, 2018 Update so I let my candle burn half way done. It cleaned up those sides and the color sort of went away I’m not mad at it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trappeur Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Good for you! I must say that is the most creamiest. silkiest candle I have ever seen. And the tops seem to always finish just beautifully smooth. TRAPPEUR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah S Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Looks great!! Good job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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