Candle guy Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I am a rookie and just curious as to how long these waxes take to settle after pour before I should light a candle. i am currently using 464 soy wax but I am also curious about Parrafin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbaranj Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I use paraffin and I let it cure for a full week before testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trappeur Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 2 weeks for 464.....works perfect for me... Trappeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisR Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I use a parasoy blend and light it up within 24 hours. If I don't get a good throw by 48 hous, it's on to a different FO. My customers will not wait 2 weeks for a candle to throw good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck_35550 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I'm with Chris. My parasoy (Clarus 3022) is good the next day. That being said, the candle only gets better with time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grama Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I let my paraffin candle sit for 24 hr before I burn it. From what I have read/seen paraffin doesn't really require a cure time but I do like to wait the 24 hr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OldGlory Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Candle guy, you will find lots of answers for 464 and other soy/vegetable waxes in the next category - Vegetable waxes. That might save you time instead of having to wait for answers. Hope that helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 Thanks everyone! I did read up on the vegetable category. Lots of great information on there.I am finding that 464 looks awesome in my 8oz jars but I am still struggling in finding a good hot throw.I am using eco wicks and the 8 doesn't burn all of the wax with a weak ht and the 10 seems to burn too hot and makes a mess of the wax. The 10 also has a below average ht. I am taking Old Glory's advice and trying the premier wicks. I just made two testers, one with a 785 and the other with a 795. I wanted to try a 790 but it did not come in the sample pack. I will let you know in a couple weeks after my 464 in 8oz jars finishes curing. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OldGlory Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Try using a jar that has straight sides and an completely open neck, or a tin. My clients buys 8 oz tins and with my ingredients and container, I get a really strong hot throw. I use Premier 785 or 790 in the standard 8 oz tin, depending on the fragrance. I usually test with both.Maybe your candle is throwing well but you can't smell it. In the Fragrance Discussion I recently posted "I can't smell my candles" and there's information there that might help.Which 8 oz jar are you using right now that you're not getting a throw from? Where are you burning it (which room)? Is there a fan going in the room? Can you put it in a smaller room that doesn't have a fan blowing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 I am using 8oz mason jars and the 10 oz 12 sided jars. The masons have a wider mouth then the 12 sided. My tins I use an eco 12 and some work and some do not. I just received the premier sample packs and made 2 test candles yesterday so it will be another 2 weeks before I will know how they turn out. I have tested both in a large room and a small room. They smell ok in small rooms but not very strong in larger rooms. It also takes about 45 to an hour for the scent to really come out. No fans or drafts.Thanks Glory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OldGlory Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Is it the square mason jar? I have used those and had a good hot throw from them, so I know it's possible.You may have purchased some fragrance oils that aren't great throwers in 464 if some are good and some are not in the tins. It sounds like you are narrowing it down. There's nothing you can do about a fragrance that just won't throw.You can find a variety of lists of FOs that work in 464 and other waxes in the Fragrance Discussion category.Wouldn't it be a pain in the butt if you changed your wick, your container, your wax only to find out it's the fragrance oil that is the dud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 Yes it is the square mason jar. I am pouring at 145 and adding most of the fragrance oils at 160. Most of the candles turn out to look fantastic with awesome cold throw just not much hot throw. I am going to stick with the 464 I am determined however I can't figure this out. I get all of my fragrances from candle science but only a couple pop off. Maybe I need better suggestions for fragrances. The lists on candle science show which ones are rated high for soy yet most are not delivering with the hot. Grrrrrr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trappeur Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Ok, I see a little problem there. You need to be add your fragrance oil about 180....or 185.....Adding the oil at a lower temperature might not be binding with the wax. So I would change that to begin with. Trappeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted November 14, 2015 Author Share Posted November 14, 2015 Trappeur I started adding it at around 180 to 185 but changed to a lower temp because I heard that too much heat will burn off the fragrance. Not sure how accurate that is but I will trust an experienced candle maker over jibber jabber. What should I do with fragrances that have a real low flash point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisR Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 It's an inaccurate assumption that's printed over and over again about high heat burning off too much fragrance. The FO blend better with your wax at the higher temp. As for low flash points that really doesn't come into play when you add it to wax. Low flash point is the temperature a FO will ignite when a direct flame is present. The only time an FO will ignite once it is in wax is if you use over the manufacturer's recommended amount in a candle. Example, if you use 2 oz./lb. of say cinnamon or something with a low flash point, when you light the candle and the flame reaches the wax it will ignite and your jar will become a fireball. I never have to use more than 1 oz./lb. of any FO and if I do, I look for a better throwing FO. All of my FO's throw great at 1/2 oz to 1 oz./lb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted November 14, 2015 Author Share Posted November 14, 2015 That's awesome news. Thanks everyone this has been really educational for me. I will take this advice and test test test!!! I will be looking for the best fo's. Any suggestions on who has great fo's or scents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trappeur Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Ditto what Chris said....so I'd go back to adding your oil at that higher temperature and make sure to stir it well and of course, cure it.... Trappeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trappeur Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Candle Science I love their oils and have tried almost all of them, lol Which ones are you testing? Trappeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 Trappeur honestly I went a little overboard and have sampled a lot. Right now I am focusing on Xmas hearth, blue spruce, pumpkin soufflé, cinnabuns, lemon poundcake, cranberry marmalade and other holiday scents. I really need to perfect one and go from there I suppose lol. I do like candle science scents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trappeur Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Candle Guy Old Glory put up a post under the "Fragrance Area" called 464 best fragrances......go and check that one out.....great list from others who use 464. Out of the ones you listed above I highly recommend the xmas hearth, blue spruce, cranberry marmalade. I couldn't get the pumpkin souflee to work for me. Trappeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 Trappeur thank you and I will check that out. I can't wait to find the right wick and get this going lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Dizzle Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I have some FOs with a flash point of perhaps 130 or so? I've been scared to add them fearing a low temp it won't bind to the wax and a high temp will burn some off. Is that fear unfounded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I have some FOs with a flash point of perhaps 130 or so? I've been scared to add them fearing a low temp it won't bind to the wax and a high temp will burn some off. Is that fear unfounded?Flash point is the temperature the oil would need to reach to ignite when a spark or flame comes into contact. It is important for shipping and handling since any FP below 200*F cannot travel by air. Some of my very best throwers are low FP. Aromahaven's Lemon Verbena pops to the top of the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Dizzle Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I just looked at that fragrance and it has a FP of 133. So you've added this FO at 185 and it's giving a great hot throw? It would make sense for that to be fine, but I had the fear of it not working due to reading other information online. If you have done that several times and it worked great, that's proof enough for me to test it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I just looked at that fragrance and it has a FP of 133. So you've added this FO at 185 and it's giving a great hot throw? It would make sense for that to be fine, but I had the fear of it not working due to reading other information online. If you have done that several times and it worked great, that's proof enough for me to test it out!i go through at least 5 lbs of AH/RE lemon Verbena every summer in soy, beeswax, palm and soap. It is always strong, tenacious and performs perfectly in my candles, despite what the FP would suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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