cdhermonson Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I'm wondering what I can try to get a better ht from this soy wax and still stay all natural. Has anyone added beeswax to GB464 and gotten a better ht? I currently use Eco wicks and just ordered the CD wicks to try. Any suggestions of what to try would be appreciated. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdhermonson Posted November 14, 2012 Author Share Posted November 14, 2012 Oh, I forgot to mention that I just started adding CO to see if this makes any difference. Also, does anyone know if fractionated CO makes any difference compared to CO you can buy at the grocery store? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjdaines Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Actually, adding a paraffin wax (which is just as natural as soy wax) is the only thing that will boost your HT that I know of. GB states that 464 does not blend well with beeswax and they are right, I've tried it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanie353 Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Oh, I forgot to mention that I just started adding CO to see if this makes any difference. Also, does anyone know if fractionated CO makes any difference compared to CO you can buy at the grocery store?You want the 76 degree CO not FCO. HTH and GL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdhermonson Posted November 14, 2012 Author Share Posted November 14, 2012 Thank you both for the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmc Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Remember not all fo's play well with soy and cure time is a must. I usually let cure for at least a week before testing. I believe 464 can hold up to 12% fo...many suggest starting at 6%pp but I have found that with 9% I achieve great ht (I use C3). rjdaines made a good suggestion as well...try adding 30% container paraffin to it. Not only will it help with ht, but may greatly reduce frosting and help wax look smooth after subsequent burns. If you try this, wick down one size...generally paraffin burns easier than soy...hth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeana Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I've never been a fan of ECO wicks in any wax. I used to use Performa wicks and had some good HT results in 464. Now I use HTPs. I add another veg wax to make my own blend, but my blend usually has the same burn results as plain 464. I add the other veg wax to improve the appearance of 464. I used to use CO in my blend but I felt like it lowered the melt point too much, which made me nervous to ship in warmer weather. I stopped using the CO and find I still have the same throw. I was happy to get rid of it because it lowered production costs. I've tried several paraffins in 464 but I didn't think it made enough positive difference to continue with blending it. I still got frosting, a lot more wet spots, and the throw was the same. It was kind of cool to have the really clean sides with paraffin though. So bottom line is if you have decided this is the wax for you, focus only on scents you get a good throw with and try some different wicks. If you ever make candles to sell you'll learn fast that using more than 5 or 6% FO will eat up your profits fast. Something to think about even though this wax will hold tons of FO, do you really want to make a candle that requires 12%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjdaines Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I've never been a fan of ECO wicks in any wax. I used to use Performa wicks and had some good HT results in 464. Now I use HTPs. I add another veg wax to make my own blend, but my blend usually has the same burn results as plain 464. I add the other veg wax to improve the appearance of 464. I used to use CO in my blend but I felt like it lowered the melt point too much, which made me nervous to ship in warmer weather. I stopped using the CO and find I still have the same throw. I was happy to get rid of it because it lowered production costs. I've tried several paraffins in 464 but I didn't think it made enough positive difference to continue with blending it. I still got frosting, a lot more wet spots, and the throw was the same. It was kind of cool to have the really clean sides with paraffin though. So bottom line is if you have decided this is the wax for you, focus only on scents you get a good throw with and try some different wicks. If you ever make candles to sell you'll learn fast that using more than 5 or 6% FO will eat up your profits fast. Something to think about even though this wax will hold tons of FO, do you really want to make a candle that requires 12%?Reminds me of some experiments I've never gotten around to, how much 4630 to add to 464 to stop frosting. One day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeana Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 (edited) I've done 4630 and 4627 both at 10%, 15%, 20%, and 30%. In my opinion my own veg blend or 464 on its own is a much better looking candle. People think you pour this wax slushy, but the opposite. You pour it hot and you get much less frost. I can do very dark colors with very little frosting when I pour hot. And your tops will be much smoother too. The trade off is you have to do a second pour. I'm ok with the second pour, I would rather have a better looking candle and not have to play with wax temps.Oh, and none of the percentages altered the HT of my testers. Edited December 9, 2012 by Jeana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjdaines Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I've tried adding coconut oil as well as coconut wax to 464 and neither helped with the frosting. I also have a bag of olive oil wax that I have not had the time to work with. However, I did hear from someone that the coconut and olive oil wax may have some paraffin in them.I pour 464 at 165, I suppose I could pour a little hotter, say 175 but it would be hard to pour at any greater temp. Never has a problem with the way the 464 tops looked, just that darn frosting which can happen at any time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leenabug Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 eco wicks didnt do good for me with this wax. cd's were good. I heard several say that cdn's were the best for this wax, but my supplier didnt sell them. course wicks are not a huge thing to ship..............gotta try those cdn's one day. Bluegrass oils worked the best of any oils I tried in this wax. ky was good too but they went out of business, tn worked good too. hit and miss with lot of other company's oils (some really good, some nothing) and im sure i havent tested half of whats out there. in my opinion 464 likes to cure for a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leenabug Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 464 was the easiest to work with. love being able to pour hot. but 464 scares me sometimes. I almost wish i woulda stayed with 435..............harder to work with but it seemed like more oils would work better. let it cure for 2 weeks and rarely had one that was worthless (other than vanilla, im a failure with vanilla's)weak sometimes yes, but not worthless............but with 464 those "worthless" ones seem to crop up more often.............yet here my lazy self still piddles with it..............just LOVE being able to pour hot (145 or 150 degrees) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash2234 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I have had great success with 464. I add my FO at around 185-190 degrees to ensure good adhesion. I also pour fairly hot. Around 175 and htey turn out great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillowBoo Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 not liking the new cdn wicks I got. Not enough coating and I believe there is some residue coming off of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paintednightsky Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I use half paraffin and half gb. Great hot and cold throw and looks nice. I didn't have issues with looks with just GB when I poured it, just after burning it and adding paraffin gave me the best of both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjdaines Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 In my mix (which favors the 4630) I switched to HTP wicks. For some of the more difficult FOs (the dark ones) I am experimenting with RRD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annie123 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 When I was making candles, I put CO in my 464. For me it was more a question of fo than anything else. Overall I had the best results with NG's fo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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