Woodcreek Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 (edited) First off let me start by saying thanks for all of the information that is listed. It is easy to spend hours reading.My problem is that my sniffer does not work like it use to at all.What is the BEST wax to use on tarts/melts? I would like to hear from ALL types of wax users. I am not looking for a particular type of wax (soy, paraffin, palm, etc, I am looking for the BEST wax for hot and cold throw for tarts/melts. I am not highly concerned whether the wax shrinks or not either. I just want the BEST wax for hot and cold throw. I am curious as well to see the response as to what wax is used most commonly. I have a great customer base for candles, however I use straight IGI 4627. I really do not want to venture with that messy of a tart. I have purchased many types of waxes and played around with them. I am tired! I have awesome fo that have been purchased form Chemical companies, (I bought them from a candle company that went out of business). I think that is part of my problem, the fo are so strong that the sniffer is spent!! Whatever wax seems to be the best response is where I am going. I will trust your experience instead of my nose.PLEASE HELP!!!! Edited February 25, 2010 by Woodcreek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin146 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Hi first off you will get many replies to your question. Some will say they love the KY tart wax and then you get people like me who love the ECOSOYA PB wax. That one is the only one I will use. If I were you I would buy some of each and see which one you like best. Or maybe come up with your own mix. I have never tried the KY wax but I am sure some of those people will chime in and tell you about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodcreek Posted February 25, 2010 Author Share Posted February 25, 2010 (edited) Is your a complete soy wax or paraffin blend? And do you add any additives? Edited February 25, 2010 by Woodcreek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin146 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Mine is all soy. And I don't use any additives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWickedWick Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Well...I'm in the KY tart/votive wax camp. It's the only one I use and people who buy my tarts really enjoy them. I must say I add 25% soy to it to eliminate the dimples you get when used alone (or at least I get). Some people do not..I do. I let them cure 48 hrs before testing. Have had very few fo's not do well. HTH. Good luck in finding your "absolute best wax for tarts"!Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandlenutz Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I use gb 444. I started w/ 464, but the 444 releases easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msprss47551 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Definately ky parasoy..i use silicone molds and they pop out easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenscandles Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I use IGI 4794 exclusively for melts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faerywren Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 KY para-soy tart blend. I love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwantItgreen Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I blend a little 4627 with my Ecosoy PB. I think it keeps them nicer looking and it sure doesn't hurt the HT!! When I used straight PB they seemed like they got a whiteish powdery look on them. However, it is merely cosmetic, but looks are important to me. The paraffin prevents that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candybee Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 That whitish powdery look is frosting. Won't hurt the tart but as you mentioned it is only cosmetic. Ecosoya PB does make great smelling tarts thou. I switched to using crystal pillar palm wax for my tarts now. I find I get the best scent throw, a beautiful crystal pattern, and the tarts release from the tart warmer bowl the easiest out of any wax I have used. You only need to push the wax and it pops out in one whole piece. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flowerbaby Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 What is it about the KY that makes it superior for tarts over the IGI 4627? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwantItgreen Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 4627 by itself is way too soft. It is a container wax. You would end up with tarts that stick to the clamshell. Look for a pillar or a votive wax, which are harder and are made to release from the mold. I haven't used the KY tart wax, but the Eco-soy PB is in my warmer now and I have great HT. Some say that soy tarts last longer, but I don't have anything to back that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CareBear Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 I switched to using crystal pillar palm wax for my tarts now. I find I get the best scent throw, a beautiful crystal pattern, and the tarts release from the tart warmer bowl the easiest out of any wax I have used. You only need to push the wax and it pops out in one whole piece.my electric tart warmer doesn't get hot enough for the palm pillar waxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number2of7 Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 KY Parasoy user here too!!p.s. customer don't care about the dimples 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodcreek Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 (edited) Ok, so there is a gentlemen that I know who makes tarts from IGI 4627-they are awesome. They have a great throw scent hot & cold. He pours them into regular cupcake papers. I just don't want to venture with that soft of a wax for a tart. No punt intended. So if I wanted a somewhat of a harder melt? Would I be starting with a paraffin and then adding a little soy to it? Or are the blends that everyone is mentioning not real soft? I don't want a soft tart that smears all over my package. I would like to be able to stick them into a polypropylene bag with a homespun tie, and still be able to see them if they were touched 10 times. So I have to let it set out for a certain amount of time before bagging? Do you have to let all candles cure for a certain period? I melted a piece of a Creme Brulee melt that I had made, and it really smells awesome. Well, almost stinking awesome (I don't like Creme Brulee). Point is: I can smell it. I could not smell it in the package, to tell what the fragrance even was. Usually, more problem is hot through, not cold. Problem with this melt, is that I have no clue which wax it was that I used. After I made it, I could not smell it (in my book it sucked), and so then the notes that I had kept while making it became unimportant and are lost.I do know that I will need to play some more, but I am just hoping for advice as to where to start for the characteristics I am looking for. And then the other question I have for everyone who weren't specific, do I need additives? Or could I add vybar or steraric acid to KY Parasoy or Ecosoya PB to make it harder(I am not familiar with these waxes as far as the blend).And now I am raised to another question (debate), does soy last longer? Any feedback from individuals who have done both? And how about fragrance loads? Is there one that can hold 10%, or what is the highest fragrance load that a pillar type wax can hold? Edited February 28, 2010 by Woodcreek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodcreek Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 I use gb 444. I started w/ 464, but the 444 releases easier.What is gb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodcreek Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 (edited) That whitish powdery look is frosting. Won't hurt the tart but as you mentioned it is only cosmetic. Ecosoya PB does make great smelling tarts thou. I switched to using crystal pillar palm wax for my tarts now. I find I get the best scent throw, a beautiful crystal pattern, and the tarts release from the tart warmer bowl the easiest out of any wax I have used. You only need to push the wax and it pops out in one whole piece.And so you used to use the Ecosoya PB and that is what you switched from? And if yes, yours now has a better throw hot & cold? How much fo do you use with the crystal pillar palm wax and do you use additives? And what is the melt point (another person said her warmer would not melt this wax?) Edited February 28, 2010 by Woodcreek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwantItgreen Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 (edited) What is gb?GB stands for Golden Blends. They manufactor soy waxes; 464, 444, 415 to name a few. Peaks carries them and so do some other suppliers. You do not need to add anything to Eco-soy Pillar blend to make tarts, all the additives have already been added and is already a harder wax. A Eco-soy PB melt will pop out of a warmer easily after it has cool completely. If I understand you are not making clamshell tarts. That is what I make, I haven't done the other so can't help you there. If you use a container wax for tarts and melts you will probably have better success adding some stearic acid. There are also paraffin blends made for votive and tarts. Edited February 28, 2010 by IwantItgreen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodcreek Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 GB stands for Golden Blends. They manufactor soy waxes; 464, 444, 415 to name a few. Peaks carries them and so do some other suppliers. You do not need to add anything to Eco-soy Pillar blend to make tarts. If I understand you are not making clamshell tarts. That is what I make, I haven't done the other so can't help you there. If you use a container wax for tarts and melts you will probably have better success adding some stearic acid.Da, I am with you now. And so steric acid, would make the wax harder, correct? And vybar helps with retention of fo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwantItgreen Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 I've never used Vybar, so can't help you there. I'm pretty sure a search would turn up a lot of info tho! Da, I am with you now. And so steric acid, would make the wax harder, correct? And vybar helps with retention of fo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodcreek Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 I've never used Vybar, so can't help you there. I'm pretty sure a search would turn up a lot of info tho! But you meant for the steric acid to help with the hardness, right? (Because of using a container wax?) It is all soooo confusing and not to mention time consuming!I appreciate all of your input. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwantItgreen Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 But you meant for the steric acid to help with the hardness, right? (Because of using a container wax?) It is all soooo confusing and not to mention time consuming!I appreciate all of your input. Thanks!Yes. If you use a container wax for tarts & melts you will want to use stearic acid to harden the wax. Just follow the directions on the package for amounts and then test. Perhaps the easiest would be to use a votive wax, then you don't need to worry about adding anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodcreek Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 Yes. If you use a container wax for tarts & melts you will want to use stearic acid to harden the wax. Just follow the directions on the package for amounts and then test. Perhaps the easiest would be to use a votive wax, then you don't need to worry about adding anything! I was considering trying a soy blend, (votive/ tart)but quite a few of them are still a little soft. So then I was thinking I might be able to add a little steric acid to it to make it a little harder. Seeings I don't know anything about soy---that is where all the questions come from. Thank you for taking the time to help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwantItgreen Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Just want to caution you, that if you choose to use stearic acid, too much will raise the melt point too high for your warmer to melt them. You don't want that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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