traceyy Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I order from one supplier although I have placed an order from Peaks recently. The fo's do not have the flash points listed which I need to know with cphp. I sent an email asking for the fp's and she said sure just give her the scents. obviously she didnt realize that all my scents come from her. Than she replied with it will be added to the site very soon and didnt give me any info. It's been a month, stillno updates.So I want to send this email......is it rude? I just want the fp's!Hi I have emailed you before about flashpoints. I am wondering if you can help me. I exclusively order my scents and wax from your business. If you look up the order info from XXXXXXX, you will see that I have spent a considerable amount of money from your site over the last 3 years. You are HANDS DOWN my favorite place. I do not want to switch to another company because I have always been given great customer service as well as great shipping, prices and exceptional products. However I need to know the flashpoints for your fo's. I have used them with some cphp soap and they have burned off. I am basically playing a guessing game and I can not keep wasting scents. I know you stated that it will be updated to your site soon, however in the mean time I have a butt load of fo's from you that I cant use because I do not know the fp's. I do not want to use another supplier when I am so happy with what I have. Can you PLEASE provide me with the flashpoints of my most recent order? traceysdrunk@sbcglobal.netBILL TO:XXXXXXXXXUnited Statestraceysdrunk@sbcglobal.netPayment Method: PayPalORDER DETAILS:Item: 8 oz Raspberry GuavaQuantity: 1Description: 8 oz Raspberry Guava, 089Price (each): $8.95Item Total: $8.95_________________________________________Item: 8 oz Butt NakedQuantity: 1Description: 8 oz Butt Naked, 095Price (each): $8.95Item Total: $8.95_________________________________________Item: 8 oz Hillbilly HomebrewQuantity: 1Description: 8 oz Hillbilly Homebrew, 112Price (each): $8.95Item Total: $8.95_________________________________________Item: Fragrance Sample PackQuantity: 1Description: Fragrance Sample PackFragrances 1: Apricot SorbetFragrance 2: Berry Creme BruleeFragrance 3: Black Raspberry VanillaFragrance 4: Chamomile & Musk MelonFragrance 5: Cherry LemonadeFragrance 6: Cotton CandyFragrance 7: Butterscotch BrittleFragrance 8: Cinnamon VanillaFragrance 9: Fresh Fruit SlicesFragrance 10: Cozy HomePrice (each): $25.00Item Total: $25.00_________________________________________Item: Fragrance Sample PackQuantity: 1Description: Fragrance Sample PackFragrances 1: Creamy DreamcicleFragrance 2: GainFragrance 3: Heather Country SideFragrance 4: Honeysuckle VineFragrance 5: Mango PapayaFragrance 6: Monkey FartsFragrance 7: Nishiki GrapefruitFragrance 8: Pineapple ParadiseFragrance 9: Sex on the Beach/Fun in the SunFragrance 10: Sweet Orange & Chili PeperPrice (each): $25.00Item Total: $25.00_________________________________________Item: 8 oz Tangerine LavenderQuantity: 1Description: 8 oz Tangerine Lavender, 082Price (each): $8.95Item Total: $8.95_________________________________________Item: 8 oz Ylang Ylang GingerQuantity: 1Description: 8 oz Ylang Ylang GingerPrice (each): $8.95Item Total: $8.95_________________________________________Subtotal: $94.75Shipping (UPS Ground): +$8.75Grand Total: $103.50_____________________________________Is it rude? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Ok..I was a little confused at first when you said you ordered from Peak as I know they do not carry half the scents you had listed there. So, your beef isnt with Peak...seemed a little odd to me to mention them in this.Anyway...No, I dont think your email is rude, especially if you have asked for the info before.Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystical_angel1219 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 The scents you have listed are from Millcreek.Kathy is usually very responsive to email, within hours she replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystical_angel1219 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I am sorry, I misinterpreted your post.No, the message you sent was not rude. Have you considered calling her?I have always found her to be very helpful in my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasBrat Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 No, it's not rude and she could have given you that information over the phone I'm sure. I had to call once as I sent an email to a different supplier and never received a response but they were able to tell me over the phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traceyy Posted April 3, 2007 Author Share Posted April 3, 2007 Ok..I was a little confused at first when you said you ordered from Peak as I know they do not carry half the scents you had listed there. So, your beef isnt with Peak...seemed a little odd to me to mention them in this.Anyway...No, I dont think your email is rude, especially if you have asked for the info before.Good luck.No I was just saying that I always order fo's from her except once when I ordered from Peaks lol Too much information sometimes lolBTW I emailed it and she got back to me immediately with all the info. I just didnt know if it sounded rude at all becuase that is NOT the way I wanted to come off kwim? Anyway awsome cs yet again from Millcreek!However my 2 top selling scent's flash points are 135 and 118 =o(I so wanted to make soap with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sudsnwicks Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 No I don't think it is rude either. Info about FP and whatever should be standard. In fact these come stated on my FO bottles so I don't need to ask anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasBrat Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 However my 2 top selling scent's flash points are 135 and 118 =o(I so wanted to make soap with them You still can, just let the soap cool a tad before adding it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traceyy Posted April 3, 2007 Author Share Posted April 3, 2007 You still can, just let the soap cool a tad before adding it.I will have to try that. I have to try alot of things lol One batch of soap I made the scent burned off or maybe I didnt add enough. Who knows. I am having a blast trying all of these things out though. FFiguring in a year or so I may be ready to have someone try a bar lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugenia Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Flash point simply means the temp at which the FO will ignite if exposed to an open flame. It has nothing to do with whether your fragrance will last in soap, CP or HP. Some fragrances really "stick", others do not. The fragrance is not "burning off."This is a handy site to check fragrances for reviews before soaping:http://scentreviewboard.obisoap.ca/index.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasBrat Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I disagree, if your soap is to hot it can "burn" the scent as I have done this a few times and now that I wait for it to come down in heat I have more success with my oils smelling better. Same as with M&P soup, if you add the fo when it is to hot the fo will burn off as well. Same thing can happen with CP per The Scent Works website.Here's another site which states about the flashpoint.http://ziggurat.org/soap/hp/csdb-demo.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryann Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I posted this once (and actually about MC's oils) and had someone make me feel like a FOOL! I agree w/ TB and have had this happen, so I stick w/ FOs that are specifically for soaping. Kathy's are not specified for soaping, they are for soy and B'n B items like lotions, scrubs, sprays, perfumes, etc. This doesn't stop me from trying though.I can tell you that her Vanilla Hazelnut Mocha "sticks" in CP, Birthday Cake so-so. NO to Sugar Cookies and Lemon (don't know off the top of my head the accurate name). There are a few more I want to try like Spanish Melon.I LUV MC's FOs !! Wish she's also put on the label if its body safe or not (I add dots to all mine that are so I don't have to look it up). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traceyy Posted April 4, 2007 Author Share Posted April 4, 2007 I cant remember which scent is was that I used and it didnt stick or whatever you want to call it. I agree I wish they would put body safe on the labels as well. LOVE the scents in soy and B&B products. So far I used the green tea in cphp and it is still going strong (although I personally do not like the scent lol) also used Love Spell and it stuck like glue rofl.Oh it was black raspberry vanilla that didnt stay with the soap for some reason. It was more than likely that is was my error(pouring it in too hot and not letting it cool) but there was a puff of steam and the scent was gone lol Oh well at least I know now to wait a while before I add the fo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnaGA Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Hi Traceyy, I feel you pain. You should not have to wait a month for information from a supplier.my 2¢...I think your email is too long. Eliminate the unnecessary info and it will be much easier to read. OR ask the question first and add other stuff in a second paragraph.Think of how many emails a supplier has to answer daily."Hi, I need to know the flashpoints of the fragrance oils of my most recent order (order #XXXXX/date). This is my second request for this information.Thank you,XXXXXXXList FOs"Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CareBear Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Donna I think your advice is good - it took me a while to get through the email and I'm just goofing off during my lunch hour. Think like a business when you write to a business....And be sure to say thank you!ETA: I spoke with the perfumers here about flash points and all. They said that the flash point does not necessarily have anything to do with if a fragrance "blows off". They actually took it from the other direction - and talked about how fragrances are made of many components and while the fragrance as a whole might blow off during processing, some components will stay put in your soap. Think about it like a liquid fabric softener- some parts of the fragrance may get blown off by the heat of the dryer while the rest stay behind. Then they went on about how products can "hold" a fragrance so that the flash point is irrelevent. Basically they said it's not a good predictor. And they should know since they design fragrances to make it through the mfg procedures for many products. (Where they do concern themselves with that particular value is in the liquid electric plug-ins, for which we sell fragrance oils to be used "as is" and we don't want consumers blowing up their houses - but even then it depends a lot on the diluent used.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheilaW Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Flash point simply means the temp at which the FO will ignite if exposed to an open flame. It has nothing to do with whether your fragrance will last in soap, CP or HP. Some fragrances really "stick", others do not. The fragrance is not "burning off."This is a handy site to check fragrances for reviews before soaping:http://scentreviewboard.obisoap.ca/index.phpThat's what I thought the flash point was also. Never even looked at the fp in regard to soap. Hmm, off to do some research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamsoycandles Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 That's what I thought the flash point was also. Never even looked at the fp in regard to soap. Hmm, off to do some research.Any observed direct relationship between flash point and "burn off" is going to be purely coincidental.... mostly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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