Red Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 ugh, ok THIRD attempt and I can NOT get this right. I heat my water and then put aside. Heat my oils,butter,stearic and ewax and then mix into the water once it is all melted. then I have been randomly stirring it with a spoon to mix it up. It is just getting all clumpy and like cottage cheese. Am I suppose to just mix it and leave it alone after the first time? Ahhhh,help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ah-soy Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 You say you are setting your water aside? Is it cooling down a lot when you do that? If so, I think your oils are clumping up when you add them to the cooled water. I bring my water to a boil, cover it and turn down to simmer then proceed. My oils and water are hot when mixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singleyellowrose Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 ugh, ok THIRD attempt and I can NOT get this right. I heat my water and then put aside. Heat my oils,butter,stearic and ewax and then mix into the water once it is all melted. then I have been randomly stirring it with a spoon to mix it up. It is just getting all clumpy and like cottage cheese. Am I suppose to just mix it and leave it alone after the first time? Ahhhh,help!Normally when I make this, I melt all my oils, butters ewax & stearic and put that in a 170 oven. Then I nuke my water til hot and put it in the oven. I also have a small container with extra water for any that has evaporated. Then I get my jars and lids and such ready. By the time everything is ready to go, my oils and water are the same temp. Weigh your water again and add in any additional that is needed and I mix them at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 You say you are setting your water aside? Is it cooling down a lot when you do that? If so, I think your oils are clumping up when you add them to the cooled water. I bring my water to a boil, cover it and turn down to simmer then proceed. My oils and water are hot when mixed.I add the melted oils when the water is still very hot...I was thinking maybe not enough ewax but I measured out the 1.5oz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrochet Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Are you melting your butters and ewax until clear? The first time I made emulsified body butter my butters were liquid but not clear and I had the same problem.......maybe your butters are not hot enough. Hope this helps.Sheli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3bees~1flower Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 are you not using a stickblender? emulsions turn out better, IMO, with high shear mixing. i would try that...stirring with a spoon will not get it adequately emulsified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katshe Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 ok, I just had a thought that might make this easier for me...I am gonna try using a lotion base and add the butter , fragrance , dry flo, and a pinch of germall plus liquid. and see how that turns out.I would feel better using a lotion base that has been tested for sale than test stip testing my self. Although I will still test it to be sure nothing grows.Thanks so much for the idea. gonna give this a try today and I think I am gonna use a combo of cb, fco co, in place of the avacado butter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singleyellowrose Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 From what I understand (and I may be wrong) but if you alter the base with ANYTHING, you will still have to have it tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CareBear Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 ok, I just had a thought that might make this easier for me...I am gonna try using a lotion base and add the butter , fragrance , dry flo, and a pinch of germall plus liquid. and see how that turns out.I would feel better using a lotion base that has been tested for sale than test stip testing my self. Although I will still test it to be sure nothing grows.Thanks so much for the idea. gonna give this a try today and I think I am gonna use a combo of cb, fco co, in place of the avocado butter.how will you calculate how much preservative to add? excess can cause irritation in sensitive folk, and of course too little is useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katshe Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 (edited) Carebear, i will use what ever I add to the lotion base as the amount to figure preservative. I think the amount will be very slight but I will have to experiment today and get back to you Edited June 28, 2010 by katshe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brempel Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Can you sub the liquidpar optima for some thing else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singleyellowrose Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 You could probably use Phenonip but check it out to make sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PassionSunKiss Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 How much IPM is needed for this recipe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CareBear Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I would start with maybe 2%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campbellsoap Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 I love this recipe and everyone who tries it loves it too. But every time I use olive oil in it, it ends up separating. I can immediately try it again and use other oils in it, it turns out very creamy. Any idea why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon01945 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 hi i didn't read through all of this so I apologize if someone else already made a comment on this. But I looked up the Liquid Par Optima and it says it is for lotions that don't use water, but this does. It is still ok to use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sosweet15022 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Would you sat this is anything like ky's soy whip. I loved that stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se2653 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Just a quick questions- if I use distilled water, is it stilled required that I boil liquid for 20 min at 170 degrees? I typically heat the water to between 100-110, melt the oils/butters and mix. Just hope I'm doing it correctly! I've been using cosmocil for preservative and seems to work well with my other lotions with no nasties growing even after 1 yr. I'll be trying the recipe soon- sounds wonderful!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Just a quick questions- if I use distilled water, is it stilled required that I boil liquid for 20 min at 170 degrees? I typically heat the water to between 100-110, melt the oils/butters and mix. Just hope I'm doing it correctly! I've been using cosmocil for preservative and seems to work well with my other lotions with no nasties growing even after 1 yr. I'll be trying the recipe soon- sounds wonderful!!!Best practices call for a period of heating and holding of both phases for 20 minutes at approximately 176 degrees. The moment the container of distilled water is opened contagions are introduced. Your mixing utensils and vessels potentially introduce contamination along with the environment you create your products in. The typical kitchen ceiling and walls harbor loads of dust particles and such that can, and do, enter the product. You don't need to boil, just hold at temperature. Nasties can be present and thriving even if not viewable with the naked eye. If you're ever curious about what's growing, send a sample of your product to a certified testing lab. You will be amazed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cindym Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 oh yes, boil boil boil lol don't take any chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campbellsoap Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I am so frustrated! I thought this recipe only separated when I used olive oil. But it seems to be a hit or miss. When it doesn't separate it's wonderful!! People who try say it's amazing! I mix up the e-wax with BTMS at times could that be the problem? Sometimes I add some glycerin could that be the problem? Last night I thought I had the problem solved because the moment I added the FO it separated but tonight it separated before the FO. PLEASE can anyone help me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I am so frustrated! I thought this recipe only separated when I used olive oil. But it seems to be a hit or miss. When it doesn't separate it's wonderful!! People who try say it's amazing! I mix up the e-wax with BTMS at times could that be the problem? Sometimes I add some glycerin could that be the problem? Last night I thought I had the problem solved because the moment I added the FO it separated but tonight it separated before the FO. PLEASE can anyone help me? It would help to know the exact formula and process you used. An exchange of ewax and BTMS would definitely impact the final texture of the product. Ewax is a more powerful emulsifier than BTMS. Adding, deleting or substituting ingredients, such as the glycerin, can also alter the final texture. the FO and preservative choices can also cause separation as you have seen. It's like baking a cake... If you accidentally mix up baking soda for baking powder the texture will be different. Then add in extra milk on top of the oil called for and you get pudding. B&B, like baking, is based on formulas. Changing one variable makes a different product in that formula. Likewise, the order of ingredients and amount of time spent stirring at different temperatures can change the final outcome in both baking and B&B formulation.What I would do is go back to the original formula that worked, and make that one again exactly as written, then sub out one variable at a time to identify where things are beginning to go wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campbellsoap Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I'm sorry so late responding. When I used 1 oz of BTMS and .5 oz of ewax it separated but did fine with .5 BTMS and 1 oz ewax.I would just add some gylcerin. I will just follow the recipe as it was written. Thank you so much for your response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansmommaya Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 thanks for all the information. very nice recipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodScents Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 I'm going to revive this thread once again! I made a lot of tweaks but stayed within the % suggested in the original. I did use a mix of ewax and btms 50. Some of the jars look like they are separating, but the very last one I poured is very thick and creamy like I was hoping for. The first one seems to be the like a mousse, which could be nice too. Any thoughts on why I got such inconsistent results from the same batch?Thank you for posting the recipe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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