olives Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I know that @TallTayl, @Clear Black, and @ComfortandJoy have all been testing blends of co92 with soy wax, and so I jumped on the wagon to give it a go myself. I did 2 blends - 20% co92 with 444 and 20% with 464, and after about a 10-12 day cure I'm burning the 2 tests this morning. It really seems like the co92 is slowing the burn of both of my tester jars, especially with the 444 blend. Not a bad thing, but I have no idea why or how that would be the case. Each jar is wicked with my usual ECO wicks. Would love to hear input/results/experiences from anyone who has blended co92 with soy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Have you burned the 444 and 464 from the same lot with the same wicks before without co92? i don’t find that the co92 does anything to improve throw of my soy. It can make the harder lots of soy easier to burn (like any oil can). What I have found with coconut wax and coconut oils of all available types, is they soot. Some soot far worse than paraffin container waxes. It’s so frustrating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olives Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, TallTayl said: Have you burned the 444 and 464 from the same lot with the same wicks before without co92? I have burned these particular lots using the same wicks before, but blended with 25% of the coconut slab wax from C&S. In those cases, the burn was much faster... I don't know whether I'm coming or going anymore with these changes to soy!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 48 minutes ago, olives said: I don't know whether I'm coming or going anymore with these changes to soy!! I totally agree. My only hope is to commit to enough cases at one time to figure out the shortcomings, and produce from there. One thing I have learned from working with C3 for so many years, and more recently with 444, is to blend with 415. 415 is kind of a naked soy that reduces the irratiting aspects of both C3 and 444.. My current 444 is strange to burn and hard to wick, but adding 415 makes it seem more “normal”. 415 alone was not all that great for me. But it helps other waxes, if that makes sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olives Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 44 minutes ago, TallTayl said: One thing I have learned from working with C3 for so many years, and more recently with 444, is to blend with 415. 415 is kind of a naked soy that reduces the irratiting aspects of both C3 and 444.. My current 444 is strange to burn and hard to wick, but adding 415 makes it seem more “normal”. 415 alone was not all that great for me. But it helps other waxes, if that makes sense. That is really interesting, and thank you for that tip...I'm going to order a small bag to test. I should quit making candles and become a professional tester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellajoan Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Ok, feeling like a total newbie, but what is co92? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstar Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 8 hours ago, ellajoan said: Ok, feeling like a total newbie, but what is co92? I believe it's a coconut wax ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olives Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Moonstar said: I believe it's a coconut wax ? @ellajoan @Moonstar I'm sorry...I should have clarified that! co92 is actually coconut oil, with a 92-degree melt point (there is also a 76-degree melt point version). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComfortandJoy Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 14 hours ago, ellajoan said: Ok, feeling like a total newbie, but what is co92? It's coconut oil that's been hydrogenated to increase the average melt point from 76 to 92 degrees. It's not coconut wax. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellajoan Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, ComfortandJoy said: It's coconut oil that's been hydrogenated to increase the average melt point from 76 to 92 degrees. It's not coconut wax. Interesting. What is the benefit of using it? Does it increase burn time or throw? I use 464? Edited February 27, 2018 by ellajoan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComfortandJoy Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 13 hours ago, ellajoan said: Interesting. What is the benefit of using it? Does it increase burn time or throw? I use 464? I'm hoping to increase scent throw and help with a better melt pool. Not sure if it's facilitating either of those at this point. I'm using it in 444. I think with 464 it will make it even softer than it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I use other waxes and oils to change the burn of my current soy wax. Some cases of soy are so difficult to burn they need an additive to facilitate a burn. A good burn can then lend to a better scent throw, but not always. The only reason i chose coconut oil (either 76 or 92) is because it is not paraffin. Though, being truthful, paraffin performs better for me as far as improving scent throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olives Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 56 minutes ago, ComfortandJoy said: I'm hoping to increase scent throw and help with a better melt pool. Not sure if it's facilitating either of those at this point. I'm using it in 444. I think with 464 it will make it even softer than it is. I tried it with 464 and it definitely made it too soft...and so far I'm not noticing much of a difference in hot or cold throw with adding it to 444. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComfortandJoy Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, olives said: I tried it with 464 and it definitely made it too soft...and so far I'm not noticing much of a difference in hot or cold throw with adding it to 444. Good to know! Thank you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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