Dolphin146 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 I was away from making tarts for about 2 years. Until this year when I got the bug again. Now I am making tarts again. I decided to order a box of EcoSoya PB plus my other supplies. Well after much testing with different scents and dyes the PB is not going to work anymore. For some reason my tarts are not coming out how I want them. At first I thought it was just me. I am very picky about my work. But family and friends also noticed a difference in them. Now every dye looks chalky after they sit. The scent smell just doesn't seem right. Kind of an funky scent. They also have been cracking real easy. I am just not happy with this wax anymore. I thought well maybe I am doing something wrong. But tonight I made some new tarts using a 50/50 soy parafin wax. The color looks great. The CT is wonderful nice and strong. Tomorrow I will test in a warmer to see how long they last and how the HT is. Did they change the PB wax? I am thinking maybe thats the problem. I did see a thread about them changing the label color a while back. Maybe with the new label they also changed how they make this wax. So now what I have left will be used for firestarters. I am now keeping my fingers crossed that this new wax will work out great for me. If not I'll be back to tring other waxes. Sorry about the long post but I just had to vent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorelei Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 I still use PB and have for the past three years. I haven't noticed any change at all. I'm wondering where you got it and maybe you could call and ask them what might be going on. I have a PB melt sitting on my desk that's been there for 5 months. Still looks the same so maybe you need to really call.I'm wondering if you got a batch of old wax? Soy wax doesn't keep forever. After re-reading am I now understanding you were using old wax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithfulScenter Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 I tried PB a few months back and had the same results. I was not pleased at all, and ended up going back to what I had before. Hope you find something that works for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jillsthings Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 I also use straight Ecosoya PB for my tarts and haven't had any problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mzphee Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 I also use Ecosoya PB mixed, and in the beginning I had some issues but what I found is PB like most wax has to be cured. even if its just 2-4 days you will see a big difference. Now I have only tried 1 other wax for melts which was golden brand 416, which I love but hate the love the look.....I may go back and play with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin146 Posted October 26, 2012 Author Share Posted October 26, 2012 No not using old wax I just bought a new 50lb box. Yes I do let them cure about a week before I test them. Maybe a bad bad batch of wax. Not sure what the problem is. I am testing a new wax today to see If I get better results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuzyK Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 I use a mix of PB and Xcel and get awesome results. I tried PB on its own and I liked it but didn't get the results I wanted. I added the Xcel and wow,what a difference! I also let them cure for a week before testing. I've had Tinsel from NG going for 3 days nonstop and it still smells good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safetysue Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I second Suzy's blend. I did use PB by itself but was testing others when Suzy was testing too. Her blend came out better than anything I mixed up. BTW Thanks for sharing that Suzy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorelei Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 PB 415 is amazing throw too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuzyK Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 You're welcome! It's a great mix . I haven't poured anything since May. My wax melt stuff is on the back burner for now but the makeup is going well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin146 Posted October 28, 2012 Author Share Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) I may have to buy a sample of the xcel and try it. The testing never ends LOL Edited October 28, 2012 by Dolphin146 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I go back and forth with Suzy's blend and 415I think the Xcel lasts much longer but the cold throw seems better with 415- and my original blend with 135 had both going on but get real chalky looking after a couple weeks! So needless to say when I pour melts I go back and forth and keep taking notes ...I like them both! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom30601 Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 I know this thread is a bit old, but I wanted to pass along something I recently discovered. Last fall, I was making some votives and tarts over a couple week period with Ecosoya PB, and everything was fine. No problems. I then cleaned out my melting pot and went back to pouring container candles through Christmas. After Christmas, I needed to restock on tarts, so I melted a fresh batch of PB wax and went to work. Funny enough, there were the problems described above the next day -- cracking, not good appearance, etc. I then made another batch, with no problems. It occurred to me that in both the fall and now, I melted down some PB, then it cooled back to solid overnight, and then I melted it again before using it to make tarts. When I remelted and repoured the messed up tarts, they were fine.It is possible that PB might need to be "tempered" before using it. I now don't go straight from the box to melting and pouring; but instead, melt a pot down one day (no FO or dye), let it cool to solid overnight, and then remelt it, draw off what I need, add FO and dye, then pour. My votives and tarts are all much better, and I have noticed fewer problems with the votives having air pockets.Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuzyK Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 That's interesting. I've never had to temper my PB wax. I've recently started pouring again and haven't had problems with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbenimble Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Sorry to change the subject- I bought about 4 50lb boxes of 464 this past fall and hearing that soy doesn't last forever has me worried. I knew it had a shelf life but I figured it was at least a year or more. Does anyone know roughly how long does it lasts? I have used 2 boxes already so I have 2 more left. I was able to buy in bulk finally and thought this was a great way to save on my costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin146 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 I know this thread is a bit old, but I wanted to pass along something I recently discovered. Last fall, I was making some votives and tarts over a couple week period with Ecosoya PB, and everything was fine. No problems. I then cleaned out my melting pot and went back to pouring container candles through Christmas. After Christmas, I needed to restock on tarts, so I melted a fresh batch of PB wax and went to work. Funny enough, there were the problems described above the next day -- cracking, not good appearance, etc. I then made another batch, with no problems. It occurred to me that in both the fall and now, I melted down some PB, then it cooled back to solid overnight, and then I melted it again before using it to make tarts. When I remelted and repoured the messed up tarts, they were fine.It is possible that PB might need to be "tempered" before using it. I now don't go straight from the box to melting and pouring; but instead, melt a pot down one day (no FO or dye), let it cool to solid overnight, and then remelt it, draw off what I need, add FO and dye, then pour. My votives and tarts are all much better, and I have noticed fewer problems with the votives having air pockets.Just a thought.Since I have been tempering my PB I haven't had any more trouble with it. I find that tempering it does help with some of the problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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