Using the wick pins almost made votives too easy! Since this picture above I've switched to the igi 1274 mottled votives, personal preference Sorry I offended you, Crazzie...I don't go around bashing anyone. Communication via the internet can sometimes be mistranslated into seeming rude, or 'rash'...although it wasn't intentional....I don't expect people to agree with things I say, and I don't agree with everything I read either. I'm not out here trying to cause problems, sorry you feel that way. In any case, good luck with your candle making. I'm not an ego maniac, or arrogant, as I've been called from people on this board..Sad! that I'm being accused of bashing newbs, when it seems that every time I post, someone has a problem with MY opinion. When you are actively involved in a public forum, you should expect and respect the views of other people, we all have different opinions. If you don't like my response, ignore it! But I can tell you right now that I don't go bashing people intentionally on this board. I may disagree with things, but what would this board be like if we were all conforming zombies?? I definitely wouldn't be on here. People have a hard time believing I have 'perfected' a soy container candle. I assure you, this container above ^ I have. Obviously, I have a few other container styles to get to the same level of amazingness, but damn I'm proud of what I've done!!!! If that's a problem with some of you, I AM SORRY! Let me apologize to everyone who has been offended by my words on this board....like I said, it wasn't my intention. Now I need a glass of wine! sheesh