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WOW!! Look at us over here with our own section! That was fast work, Admin! Thank you! The threads were moved so fast...what a head rush!

Wow! That's amazing! Looks so real.

Compared to some of their other FO's, Violet Lime is more subtle. I tested it in GL 70/30 and though it threw well, it's not a knock-yer-socks-off aroma. It's a nice blend where the lime subdues the floral and visa versa. It didn't sell well for me.

I ended up lightly fragrancing it with Flicker's Sweet Pumpkin FO and had no problem with the scent turning bad. It's a nice fragrance but not exactly what I was going for. WSP's OMH is such a wonderful fragrance, I really wanted to use it. Not sure I'd want to change the soap base I'm using just to get this FO to work right, though, since SFIC is more natural. I can't tell if the ingredients in WSP's "natural" goat milk soap is really all natural. ("Sodium Cocoate, Sodium Palmate,. . " ). dabbledoya, yes, the FO smells like almonds and it's quite sweet. Do you use a soap base or are you doing cp? I may head over to KY and get a sample of their OHM FO. Someone here gave me a description of what it smelled like and it sounds similar to WSP's. Maybe I'll have better luck with it. But I'd sure like to know what causes a fragrance oil to turn stinky like this when the soap gets wet. And if there's a solution (like some kind of additive that can be used) to prevent this, I'm all ears! Thanks!

I bought the most awesome smelling OMH FO from WSP which got excellent reviews. I used it in my Goats Milk SFIC M&P soap base. It smelled really nice . . . until I got the bar of soap wet, then it stinks like rancid oil or dirt. It awful! I then made a bar using Shea M&P base instead....same stinky smell when the bar gets wet. Then I made several bars and in each one, I eliminated some of the other additives I was using. Removed olive oil . . . the soap still stinks. Removed honey . . . the soap still stinks. Removed FO . . . no stink. Is this what is called "morphing" and is there anything I can do to keep this from happening. I've ruined so many bars of soaps and am quite disappointed that I can't use this FO. Thanks for any help!

"I", too!

I'm on Etsy, also. Been there since March '07. Sales are very slow right now but I'm not promoting much right now, either. I also like buying things.

Thanks for all the great responses! In reading the description of the WSP version, it sounds about right. So does Nature's Garden's version. And then, in reading Alajane's description, that sounds right, too. I'll start sampling some of these. I appreciate that you all are helping me narrow it down. Sharon in KY, I PMed you.

Oh, I need another addiction! I've been wanting to try BCN's lip balm and so glad to find this thread!

There are so many variations of Oatmeal, Milk & Honey FO's, I could spend a fortune testing to find exactly what I'm looking for. I've tested BCN's OMH and found it to be heavy, earthy and heavy on the scent of grain. I didn't care for it in soap. I'm trying to find an OMH that has a huge emphasis on clean and sweet. With clean being the first to pop, the next note that is obvious is sweet . . . maybe almond. I do smell oats but that's not the in the top notes. I've smelled this in soap and really liked it. Can anyone tell me where I might find this particular OMH scent? TIA

Cute, Wick'n'Wax, but (once again) a domain name (i.e. aromafieldscandles.com) is not the same as a business name (i.e. Aroma Fields). And: Absolutely true! And so could I have. But, realistically, I had online presence before she did, therefore, I was USING my business name on the Internet before she was and established an online business with that name before she came along. For those of you were interested in finding out more, please read the article below. I've made large and bold the points that are extremely relavent to the comments some of you have made. It doesn't matter how long she may have been using her name outside of the Internet. I was using the name on the Internet and established it here before she did. It also brings home the point that she should have (as I stated before) taken the time to research the Internet before putting her name out there. Because, as this article mentions, the confusion that she is potentially creating can very well be a legal issue. Read on... "Choosing the best name for your new company, and how to protect it. The two concerns for startup business names are the legal requirements, and the commercial use. We are talking about the name of your business, in this section, not your trademarks, or service marks, logos, or slogans. Trademark law protects product names, logos, trade names, even some slogans as trademarks or service marks. Copyright law protects works or art, fiction, movies, art, sculpture, and other creative works. Business law, however, does not fully guarantee you the exclusive use of your business name. To get close to exclusivity, you have to be first, you have to be national, and you have to be alert. Owning and establishing a business name: The most common misunderstanding about business names is about registering, protecting, and reserving business names. You can’t reserve a business name completely, you can’t have exclusive use. Think of a business name as a lot like a personal name, in that the first or oldest John Smith cannot claim exclusive use of that name. He can’t make all the other John Smiths change their names. So too, the first Smith’s Restaurant can’t stop all other Smith Restaurants from using that same name. McDonald’s Hamburgers can’t make McDonald’s Hardware Store change its name, and McDonald’s Hardware Store in Manhattan can’t sue McDonald’s Hardware Store in San Francisco. However, just as you have rights to your own identity, so does your company. One John Smith can sue another John Smith for using his identity, having bills sent to the wrong address, or purposely confusing people. McDonald’s Hamburgers can sue just about anybody trying to use McDonald’s for a business selling fast foods. The confusion starts because business names are registered by different authorities in different places, and on different levels. The first and simplest business name is your own name, which might be enough for John Smith using Smith Consulting or hosting Smith’s Restaurant. This kind of business name normally requires no additional paperwork, although most business owners end up registering a name anyhow to establish their legal claim to it. The second normal common level of business names is called DBA (for “Doing Business As”) or Fictitious Business Name, which gives an individual the right to operate under a business name with signs, bank accounts, checks, and so on. These are generally registered and legalized by county governments within states. There might be a McDonald’s Hardware Store as a DBA in many counties within a given state, and across many different states. To register a business with a fictitious business name, call your county government for details. You can expect that you’ll have to visit an office in the county government, pay a fee of less than $100, and do some legal advertising, also less than $100, probably using forms you can fill out in the same office. Somebody will probably look up the registry to make sure that yours is the first business in the county with that name. Details will actually vary depending on which county you’re in. The third level is the corporation, regardless of its various corporate entities. Whether they are S Corporations, C Corporations, LLCs, or whatever, a corporation is registered at the state level and no two can have the exact same name in each state. However, there is no guarantee that there won’t be many businesses registered as McDonald’s Hardware Store in several counties in a state, and a corporation registered as McDonald’s Hardware Corporation. This kind of duplication happens. To establish a corporation, you can use national services such as The Company Corporation, or a local attorney. The corporate forms will go to the state, and details will depend on which state you’re in. Even though duplicate business names are very possible, and quite common, you do still have the right to protect and defend you own business name, once you’ve built the business around it. The key to this is confusion and confusing identity. As we said above, one John Smith can sue another John Smith for purposely confusing their identities. So too, McDonald’s Hamburgers can and should sue anybody who starts a new restaurant named McDonald’s serving fast foods. On this point, when one business is confused with another, being first matters. When somebody tries to establish a second McDonald’s Hardware where it would confuse people with the first, then the first McDonald’s has a legal right to prevent it. If the second store puts up a sign, then the first store should take quick legal action to stop it. The longer the first store ignores the second, the better the case of the second store. When the whole mess goes to court, the first one to use the name is likely to win, but if the first one sat quietly while the other one built the name, then there is more doubt. An existing business should always watch out for people using the same or confusingly similar names, because the sooner it complains, the better for its legal arguments. Researching a name’s availability: So you see you can’t absolutely guarantee that nobody has the name you want, but you can at least try. The fastest and simplest way to start researching a name is to do an Internet search. Search about half a dozen of your favorite searchers and see whether or not the name you’re considering is already taken. You don’t want to name a business with a name that can cause problems later, because it confuses you with other businesses. That’s obvious, but how do you research a name to make sure there won’t be a conflict? Search the Web. Start with your favorite searches and see whether anything turns up on the company name you’re considering. Ultimately, you really protect your business name only by using it. Corporations are registered by states, and factitious business names are registered in counties. Registering a name doesn’t really protect it though, because the same name could legally exist in many other states, many other counties. You could be Acme Corporation in Illinois and legally own that corporation in that state, but there could be another Acme Corporation in every other state, and every one of them is legal until you win a lawsuit proving that they are trading on the commercial interests you own. When you really get protection is when you use that name, and therefore when you find somebody else using it you can prove that you had it first, so they are trading on your name. There are lots of McDonald’s restaurants around, and McDonald’s can’t stop them from using that name if they had it early enough, and especially if they aren’t pretending to be a fast food hamburger joint. The attempt to confuse is very important. Choosing a business name: The choice of a business name is very important, worth taking time to develop. Don’t end up with a name that you can’t live with. Look for something that describes your business, is easy to explain, fits on the signs, and works." In summary, I am Aroma Fields and I've established my name and my business on the Interent long before she came here and google proves it. She either chose to overlook doing any research to see if the name was already being used thereby avoiding confusion....or she purposely decided that she could throw her business online and trade off of the business I've already established under that name. According to this article, that's a big no-no. Giving her the benefit of the doubt and assuming she just overlooked doing any research (but seriously, would YOU do such a thing?), she probably needs a nice alert. Have a lovely week, everyone!

Beautiful! I love the gradient layers. Very nice!

I appreciate the input but I think some of you are confusing domain name with business name. I'm not concerned with her domain name....though, apparently, I should have been and should have purchased it along with the one I chose. My boo-boo. But I still think if this person had done the slightest bit of research (i.e. type in "Aroma Fields" into Google) she would have known there'd be a problem. I had an Internet presence long before she did and she would have easily found my site. Good night, all.

Thanks for the clarification, MissMary :smiley2: And thanks for the reverse look up info, nantes. If she doesn't get her site removed, I'm going to pitch one heck of a fit to that hosting company!

I agree with Islandgirl.

Thanks for all the info. I paid for a DBA (as I mentioned above) and I have a Fed ID. I took the time and spent the money to protect my business name. She can have the domain name she's chosen...just not my business name. She can sell under the name all she wants to in her neighborhoods...just not on the Internet with my name. I called Homestead and they offered an email addy to their legal department. I wrote an email giving them the details and asking them to please remove the site from their server. But, I can't keep following this person around asking that their site be removed from servers. Oh well, her/his pictures look like cr@p, anyway. It's a jungle out there, man!

Thanks, MissMary!

I just noticed (doh!) a phone number on the home page. The area code puts this business in Montana. Good that I don't have to compete locally but it's STILL my business name out there on the Internet :-( I don't think calling this person is a good idea. I've always thought things done in writing carried more weight. Advice?

I registered my domain name back in Feb. 2007...she (he?) registered back in Sept. 2007. Although the domain names are slightly different, my business name is Aroma Fields . . . and so is hers/his. I'm bugged by this but can't say for sure that she/he even knows I exist although I would think that before someone starts a business, they would be smart enough to know if they're name is unique. I'm all over the internet so it's not hard to find me by typing in aroma fields. I'd contact her/him but the "about us" page is blank and there's no contact info on the site. Her/his site appears to be under construction. I looked up their domain in the Network Solutions database and there's no contact information available there, either. I don't even know where this business is located but it can't be in my area because I have a DBA on file. Before I chose my business name, I did a lot of research to make sure it was unique. I had originally chosen a name "Olde Town Candles" but noticed that there was an "Old Town Candles" online already. Though the spelling was a wee different, I didn't want to infringe upon someone else's creativity nor appear to be riding on the coat tails of someone else's established success. Now, having Aroma Fields for over 2 years, I've seen a lot of "aroma" this and "aroma" that popping up here and there but not my actual business name...until now. I'm so bummed :-( I'll post the two links here (mine and hers/his) but if it's not something I should be doing, I apologize and accept that Admin will remove them: My site: www.aromafieldscandles.com Hers/His site: www.aromafields.com Does anyone know how I should pursue this? Or even if I should? I don't know if this is something that happens all the time and I should just expect this sort of thing and live with it. Advice? TIA

Very pretty! I really like the Mango

Thanks, Vicky! That makes sense. I haven't heard back from the lady since I wrote to ask so I assume she either thinks my ignorance isn't worth working with (okay..but y'all have made me wiser now! ) ...or she was just looking for a deal with wholesale prices which I wasn't willing to immediately jump on. Oh well...onward with this knowledge! Thanks again for the great help! xo

That's what I'm thinking, too. But if she's purchasing at wholesale and never handles the candles, having my candles appear on her site....isn't this more like a "consignment"?

Same here. Thanks for the GREAT info!

I was approached by someone who wanted to 'partner' with me in that she'd want to purchase my candles at wholesale and then place them on her website with my label. What threw me off was that she would want me to drop ship. I can't understand why I'd need to even ship if they were offered on her site....or am I missing something? I wrote to ask her to be more specific on how this would work but, so far, haven't heard back. Any thoughts?

I haven't tried CS's Jack Frost, although I love their FO's. I've been using BCN's Jack Frost which is a smooth, buttery peppermint scent (as opposed to a crisp, bite of peppermint). Just Scent has Coco Cabana: http://www.justscent.com/product3670.html