The moral to this story is you have to try scents for yourself. If you have to use more than 8% fo, you are wasting your time and money. If you listen to everybody who responds to your type of question, you are wasting your time and money. To avoid costly errors, buy samples and test for yourself. If you must take advice, make sure it's from someone you know and who has been making candles for awhile. Never listen to anybody who posts scent reviews without first having tested it in a candle. Sniffing the bottle doesn't count and only makes the reviewer look like a complete fool. Start buying samples, start pouring, start testing, and judge for yourself.