I love 464. I do not know what temp I pour at - I just pour when the pot is cool enough to pick up with both hands holding the pot not the handle. I used to use thermometer all the way through but the longer you work with your wax, the more you know what works and how that looks/feels. I heat the wax in my melter to 180, add the scent (7% tops, if it doesn't throw at that then I move on to another supplier if I have to have that scent) & stir (no color) and put the pot on a stool in front of a fan to help cool it quicker. I don't heat glass, don't cool under a box or leave big spaces between, just pour up as many as I need and turn off the light & call it a day. Sometimes I have 6 pour pots going and a couple get more cool than I like and I either just pour anyway or heat gun the outside of the pot until it is more liquid. I get a few little air pockets now & but I poke 3-4 holes in each jar and heat gun the top layer be sure they are filled and the top is smooth as glass. I get very little frosting, mainly on vanilla or intense floral scents. I used to obsess about it but now I don't bother. No one notices by me anyway. Any wax you choose will have frustrating problems. I just picked the one I had the least problems with and worked out the kinks for my own use. The grass is always greener if you are just reading supplier's write-ups.