Babean28 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid, what is the ultimate goal with this wax? - Is it to have it adhere to the glass container perfectly? OR - Is it to have it shrink entirely away from the glass? I ask because I'm clearly confused by this. I've been testing CB-135 for a while now and I can pour two 8 oz jars at the same time and get completely different results. One jar, great glass adhesion whereas the second has shrinkage, and/or wet spots. Looking forward to know what people think...Thanks,Faith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimdles Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Faith: Check out the manufacturers website www.ngiwax.com. It has everything you need to know about this wax. You can even ask them specific questions. HTHKim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babean28 Posted March 3, 2008 Author Share Posted March 3, 2008 Thanks for the response! I've already been to their site and done all the reading. I haven't asked them a question though...I'll do that Do you use CB-135? I'm hoping to get some feedback from other users on what their experience has been. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MileHigh Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid, what is the ultimate goal with this wax? - Is it to have it adhere to the glass container perfectly? OR - Is it to have it shrink entirely away from the glass? I ask because I'm clearly confused by this. I've been testing CB-135 for a while now and I can pour two 8 oz jars at the same time and get completely different results. One jar, great glass adhesion whereas the second has shrinkage, and/or wet spots. Looking forward to know what people think...Thanks,FaithFaith - we use the EcoSoya 135 CB and tend to get some pulling away from the glass regardless of the jar being warm or not. The one thing I can't get my candles to do is have any throw. Let me know if you are having that problem also! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candybee Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I use it and get great glass adhesion with great hot and cold throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babean28 Posted March 4, 2008 Author Share Posted March 4, 2008 I use it and get great glass adhesion with great hot and cold throw.Well then, any chance you'd be willing to share your secrets here? I've tried all sorts of methods. But, what's confusing me is that for the same batch, same jar, same temp, same everything, I get different results. Here are some questions I have. 1.) What is the room temp when you're making candles?2.) What is your pour temp? 3.) Do you heat your containers? 4.) Do you wash your containers? 5.) What % of FO are you using pp? 6.) What is the temp of the room where you let your candels set up?Am eager to learn your secrets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Have you checked the "Would like your help?" sticky at the top of the Veggie Wax forum? It has great info on how people are successfully pouring lots of different soy-based waxes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.S. Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Babean...I use CB135 as well and sometimes get great adhesion and sometimes not, even within the same batch. You can do a search on wet spots and find all sorts of threads on it. The reality of the situation is that it is just the nature of the wax, and there's no real way to stop it, regardless of any instructions from the manufacturer or anyone else. I hate it too, but it just happens that way.As for throw, I find that most oils throw quite well in CB135, but again, hot throw is a very subjective thing.I can fill up a small room, but not a large room and certainly not a house. Some of my best fragrance oils I can smell down the hall a bit. It really is a matter of opinion and preference.Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimdles Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I started testing CB135 at the beginning of this year and was so disappointed with the look of the wax (pulling away from and sticking to the jar) that I went back to CBA and am MUCH happier!! Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandleKat Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I've used CB135 since starting back. I do get some wet spots, never had shrinkage. I think they bother me more that anyone. I get great h/c throw w/CD wicks. I've used Eco wicks and the throw is really good, but most of the time w/the mushrooming, they're torches if I want a decent MP. I have heard that 135 will have a better throw in larger containers. I notice that on some scents and will probably try EzSoy for my smaller jars that won't throw well w/the CB135. But over all I really like the CB135. Well, I guess I didn't answer your question, but w/soy there will always be those wonderful little character flaws we love & hate.Hope you can get it figured out. Keep us postedKathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.S. Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I do get some wet spots, never had shrinkage. Agree with everything you said except this part. Wet spots occur BECAUSE of shrinkage... causing the wax to release from the glass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandleKat Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Woops! Trying to type and think at the same time. Thanks RS, because that could really be confusing!Should have read "I do get some wet spots, never had frosting".Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Wet spots occur BECAUSE of shrinkage... causing the wax to release from the glass....and warm/cool environments. The glass expands & contracts at a different rate from the wax... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babean28 Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 ...and warm/cool environments. The glass expands & contracts at a different rate from the wax...I didn't really think about the fact that glass expands and contracts, but that makes sense. This whole time I thought only the wax would expand and contract. I'm trying to not get frustrated but it's been difficult not to when I keep getting different results in the same batch.As an FYI to all those who've posted on this thread, I decided to go back to the basics and only use a wick and the CB-135 and follow NGI's instructions on their website. The wax still isn't performing normally. I'm going to try going up and down in pour temp to see if that makes a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babean28 Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 I've used CB135 since starting back. I do get some wet spots, never had shrinkage. I think they bother me more that anyone. I get great h/c throw w/CD wicks. I've used Eco wicks and the throw is really good, but most of the time w/the mushrooming, they're torches if I want a decent MP. KathyKathy, am curious to know which CD wicks you've been using and for which containers. I've been using LX wicks based on CS.com's recommendation in the wicking guide. I'm getting mediocre HT and the wicks are mushrooming like crazy - hence I'm also getting torches after over 2 hours of burn time. They aren't creating a full melt pool for me either! Would love to learn more...thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eden Sass Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 babean, i had the same problem with lx wicks (also from cs's guide) and am much happier with cd wicks from candles and supplies. (look for heinz coreless)hth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.S. Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 I have tried every wick known to man in CB135 and I like the CDs the best. Just my observation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babean28 Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 Thanks for the info on the CD Wicks - I'm going to order a sample pack and give them a whirl. Will let everyone know my thoughts after I test. Everyone has been very helpful - thanks so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandleKat Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Babean,I primarily use only 8oz tumblers and 16oz apothecary jars. For the 8oz, I use a CD 10 for most of my fo's. I do use a 12 for my vanilla's, cinnamon's and other heavier fo's. For the apoth's, I double wick with 2 10's or 12's for heavier scents. No mushrooming, no torches and great throw.:yay:I must say though, that I don't use dyes, so I think that makes a difference. I think that those who use dyes actually start out w/12's and wick as high as 16 or 18. HTHEdit - I just saw a post on the Scents section and RS said she is getting hang up with the 12 on her vanilla. I've been using the same wicks for a couple of years and don't get any kind of hang up- must be the good ol' West Texas air. So you may want to start w/12's and 14'sKathy(Also, note that I made an error on that post. I meant to say that I get wet spots, but not frosting) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 If ya like CDs, you'll love CDNs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babean28 Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 If ya like CDs, you'll love CDNs.Hi Stella, tell me more about the CDNs...where do you get them? I take it that you use them with success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdawg Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 I love the cb 135. awesome throw (depending on the FO of course) I use LX wicks. I do get the wet spots and pulling away from the jars on occasion but I am learning to deal with it since I have no frosting. It seems that if I have pefect addhesions then ia have frosting lol no "perfect" candle as of yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.S. Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 ..... and RS said she is..... "he", but I'm gay, so close enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Here's the Heinz website, where Stabilo (formerly CD) and Stabilo KST (formerly CDN) are manufactured.http://www.heinzverhaegh.com/The following companies both have great info on many kinds of wicks, but sell in large quantities.http://www.wickit.net/index.htmlhttp://www.wicksunlimited.com/candle_wicks.phpI get mine from JBN, but other suppliers have them also. They are not as easy to find as are CDs. HTH:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandleKat Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 :embarasse Sorry fellow Texan!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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