candlemaker74 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Hi, I was wondering if anyone has any input as to which wax they thought was best for container candles? Its my understanding that paraffin has the best sent throw cold or hot, but soy has the best look (creamy, virtually no frosting, no pitting..etc., and soy does not produce the black smoke that a paraffin candle does... And what about this 70% soy/30% paraffin blend? Bees Wax? Any input would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGirl Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Hi there!I'm not sure if the input you'll get will help. There is no "best" container wax -- it depends on many factors and you'll just have to play around with wax samples and decide what works for you.I started with paraffin but soon switched to soy... then progressed to a soy/paraffin blend.My suggestion is find a supplier near you who carries a few different varieties, get some samples and experiment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lindanelson Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Hi there!I'm not sure if the input you'll get will help. There is no "best" container wax -- it depends on many factors and you'll just have to play around with wax samples and decide what works for you.I started with paraffin but soon switched to soy... then progressed to a soy/paraffin blend.My suggestion is find a supplier near you who carries a few different varieties, get some samples and experiment!i agree with this. I'm partial to EcoSoya Container and Palm container. They work for what I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring of Fire Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 CB...IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizbizzyb Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 There is no best.Each of us have our own prefrences when it comes to waxes. It really depends on the individual.Get some slabs of different waxes and test them to see how YOU like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandleGirl Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Read, read, read.Test, test, test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxSioux Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 I want to know who sells that soy 'w/ virtually no frosting' - LOL. You're really just going to have to read a whole lot & test to see what gives you the results you're looking to achieve. For a starting point -- I'd suggest 70/30, you'll get the best of both worlds & it's a very easy wax to get instant positive results.Susan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 I want to know who sells that soy 'w/ virtually no frosting' - LOL. You're really just going to have to read a whole lot & test to see what gives you the results you're looking to achieve. For a starting point -- I'd suggest 70/30, you'll get the best of both worlds & it's a very easy wax to get instant positive results.Susan.I used J50 for most of my candle making career, which isn't that long. I recently switched to GL70/30. I like both of those waxes...J50 has more wet spots but a great scent throw. The 70./30 is easy to work with, less wet spots but I think the J50 throws just a little better. So I use both, because I have both. When I run out dont know which I will re order....I hate decisions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Its my understanding that paraffin has the best sent throw cold or hot, but soy has the best look (creamy, virtually no frosting, no pitting..etc., and soy does not produce the black smoke that a paraffin candle does... Wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Ditto on the "wrong." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmeroo Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Ditto,Ditto,Ditto on the wrong! Kimmeroo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlemaker74 Posted January 14, 2008 Author Share Posted January 14, 2008 LOL, well, that's why I come here - to ask the people who know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdmorgan Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 I'm not sure where you are located but Bitter Creek has a "sample pack" of waxes you can buy to help you test the different waxes. The kit doesn't contain soy or my favorite so it's not a complete kit but it will get you started. It really does come down to personal taste in the end.I like 4630 myself. I've tried 6006 (paraffin/soy blend), 4627 and J223 (paraffin) but didn't like them as well. Other people on the board will swear by these waxes and they are right. They have found the FO/wick/wax combo that works for them.http://secure.candlesupply.com/catalog_page_detail.cfm?queries_index=index7&title_bar=Low%20Shrink%20Wax%20Discount&recordno=11&Product_CatalogID=1985&ProductCodeID=76&ProductSubCodeID=249&NewProduct=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrycat Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I really like the 70/30, but admit I haven't tried all that many of the soy blends. I find the 70/30 easy to work with and clean up is a breeze, IMO. As most people have stated though, it's a matter of preference! Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I make pillars mostly, but my adult son makes containers and he definely prefers Comfort Blend, 4627 I think it is. Sticky to get out of the bag but definitely a one-pour and great scent throw. my 2-cents worth :rolleyes2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momtohaley2004 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I'm partial to the IGI 6006. I used to use KY Parasoy container blend. I like both waxes, but found that 6006 could be purchased closer to me, I could pick it up and thus save on shipping so I switched to save me money. I like them both, but I switched so I could keep my costs down. It is all a personal preference. I myself do not like parafin wax as I find it harder to work with, but that is just my opinion. Everyone is different so just test, test and test to find what works for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnitaG Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 4786 for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CareBear Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 I've developed a serious liking for ear wax. And with two small children I have a never-ending supply without paying shipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 I've developed a serious liking for ear wax. And with two small children I have a never-ending supply without paying shipping.AND it's organic and all-natural! *sorry, didn't mean to be flip - it just cracked me up* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain_Annie Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Its my understanding that paraffin has the best sent throw cold or hot, but soy has the best look (creamy, virtually no frosting, no pitting..etc., and soy does not produce the black smoke that a paraffin candle does...============From my own experience and in-depth research...and from talking to many, MANY candlemakers through the years....this is right AND wrong. In general, paraffin does have the best scent throw over soy. However, the WRONG part of your quote is that soy does not produce smoke/soot and paraffin does. Smoke is a by-product of (or the result of) burning. If your wicked soy candle doesn't smoke or soot...then you haven't lit it yet. Where there's fire...there's smoke/soot.A lot of pro-soy sites out there will use the (un-educated and false) claim that paraffin smokes/soots...vs soy doesn't. That's baloney. I've used both soy and paraffin and BOTH will produce smoke & black soot if you add too much FO, use the wrong wick or fail to TRIM the wick...etc. Soy smokes also and at times I've had it smoke much worse than my paraffin. The bottom line is this: Anything that burns *can & *will smoke and cause soot. Period! See the ONLY exception below --- and no that exception is *not soy. There *IS only ONE exception to my knowledge! The only COMPLETELY soot free flame is a natural gas flame. This flame is completely blue and has what is called "a complete combustion". Any fire/flame that does NOT go through complete combustion produces smoke and soot. Soy can produce black soot as well as the harder-to-detect "white soot". The smoke and soot from a lot of soy candles is a whiter, finer soot (but still soot folks!) which is not as easy to see as the black soot but that doesn't mean it isn't there. It's there! That's one of the laws of physics so don't be fooled. You can't very well claim "Oh but MY soot is WHITE so that doesn't even count". Uhmmm..it's still soot. So...to re-cap, with soy you can get the black AND/OR white soot! The white soot may be "less noticeable" or even a "prettier soot" than the black colored soot... but it still has the same nasty properties. Oh...and ragarding the "deadly" paraffin...we're talking about the exact same paraffin that covers most of your fruits, vegetables and a lot of chocolates, etc, and is approved SAFE to EAT by the FDA. The fruits and veges are covered with a thin layer of paraffin wax (yes, that awful stuff! -- --) to make them shiny and more appealing to the consumer. So each time you eat an apple....unless you grow your own and pick them straight from the tree...you're most likely ingesting the "ALL-FATAL, KILLER PARAFFIN". And the Dr tells you to eat an apple a day! Shame on him! PLEASE do the research folks. Paraffin AND soy release chemicals and BOTH will smoke & soot to some extent but I have NEVER, EVER had (quote) "a black soot cover everything in my house" from *either* wax. (Which IS btw what is falsely stated on MANY/MOST soy / "anti-paraffin" websites) What little soot I've saw (from soy AND paraffin) was coming out of the wick & flame and then it disappeared into thin air. It was NOT on my countertops nor was it on my cabinets or walls when I wiped them down during the normal clean-up process after candlemaking. White paper towels would have certainly shown any BLACK soot. Of course there *could have been a lot of WHITE soot from the SOY not noticed on my white paper towel. <wink>HTH.Mt Annie================================ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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