bvigorda Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 I wonder if anyone here knows how companies like Golden Brands can make and sell soy wax when Cargill owns the patent for soy wax? Wouldn't Golden Brands be infringing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlewitch Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 From what I understand, they are. There are some loop holes but I am sure there are lawyers working behind the scenes on this. They have a patent on the formula Mike Richards came up with. They do not have a patent that i know of for the making of standard soy wax. It is what is added to the standard mix that makes or breaks the blends. etc. I do not have all the info but that is my take on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvigorda Posted October 2, 2006 Author Share Posted October 2, 2006 Interesting.So does that mean Golden Brands has been stiffing Michael Richards? I mean, he must be getting royalties from Cargill. Shouldn't he be getting them from Golden Brands, too? What kind of way is that for Golden Brands to treat the inventor of soy wax.What happens if we develop our product line around Golden Brands wax and they lose the patent infringement case? Do we have to start all over with a different brand of wax? Or will the price of Golden Brands go way up because they have to start paying royalties?Just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgirl Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Guess it's kinda like a chocolate chip cookie... Their are many different kinds,brands and makers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbleBath Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 I'm sure Golden Brands has spoken with an attorney before they began to produce Soy Wax and all legalities have been covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iammommytwo Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 I'm sure Golden Brands has spoken with an attorney before they began to produce Soy Wax and all legalities have been covered.I agree....and was just wondering why you are "picking on " GB?? They are not the only brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlegrl Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 I agree....and was just wondering why you are "picking on " GB?? They are not the only brand.I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carriegsxr6 Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 I belive patents expire after a certain amount of years and cant be renewed, to prevent monopolizing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 I think it's an interesting question. I'd like to understand the intellectual property issues better myself.However, the dramatic implications about GB possibly infringing on patents seems far fetched. As has been suggested, I'm sure their legal bases are covered as least as well as anyone else in the industry.Besides, look at what they're selling. For the most part, it's vegetable shortening. I don't suppose you can patent the idea of stamping "soy wax" on a case of flaked shortening that would otherwise be sold for baking. Their blended container wax products have monoglyceride and/or cottonseed oil added to them. That's a recipe for cooking ingredients too. Look on a can of Crisco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryGal Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 a patent is good for 10 years after that time other companies can make similar products. That's why Tylenol has so many generics now. They were exclusive for 10 years then the generics move in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicky_CO Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 First and for most Golden Brands didn't start out selling soy for candles we did it to them when companies like KY and others realized that you could use it as candle wax. Their soy until very recently has been made for the food market. All of their soy is still food grade. It was just originally shortening flakes used for cooking and as an additive in some foods which was being used long before it was used asa candle wax.So because until very recently they have not really manufactured for the candle industry there was no patent infringements. Now a patent is only good if you are willing to enforce it the government doesn't enforce it for you. And at this late date in the game it not enforceable. If you wait to long to take legal action about your patent or if a company can prove they where already maufacturing said item before you applied for a patent you will loss most of your rights to said item. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stacien Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 People are reading into things way too much now. Who cares as long as you the candle maker like whatever wax you are using and it is not breaking the law. When bakery's make cakes do you think they sit and dwell on what flour to use. No they pick a brand they like the best and what matters most is the finished product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSAS Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Yeah what she said!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookie130 Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 I highly doubt that any other manufacturer of soy wax and soy blends are infringing on Mike Richards original soy wax formulation at this point...his was the original Cargill C-1 wax formula. Things have been tweeked so much from there, that I'm trusting that all the patent and legalities have been ironed out. Heck, I e-mailed the Soyawax (Mike's company) about a month ago with a question on how his wax compared to another brand's performance, and his e-mail didn't contain any bitter undertones of feeling ripped off by other companies producing similiar if not identical products. Interesting topic, but I'm trusting that the "big guys" have it worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhepp7gw2 Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Gee I hope they got it all worked out since I am a big fan of Golden Brands.If every one is so worried just call Jason at Golden Brands and I will bet youhe will put your mind at ease. I dont think they would jeapordize their company by ripping off a patent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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