hem06 Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Someone posted the link to the auction on "The Whisk" and I saw it there.Scroll down to just above the Paypal logo.http://cgi.ebay.com/Ultra-Clear-Soap-Base-2-Pounds_W0QQitemZ8209610189QQcategoryZ28118QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemDid you SEE THAT?!?!?!!?"This is not a lye by-product made in someones kitchen. This is lab formulated."!#(*&$(*&$()($)(**%*%&*&*&$**(&()*&!#!!!!!!!!!Where does she think Glycerin comes from?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 It doesn't say it isn't made with lye, it says: This is not a lye by-product made in someones kitchen. This is lab formulated.1. She is telling the truth. It isn't a lye product that was made in someone's kitchen.2. This soap was fomulated in a lab. It is true, however, it is very misleading. She is playing on the people's fears of lye to sell her product. Personally, I think it is unethical. I bet it's legal though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeana Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Funny how that person is trying to make their soap sound super healthy when at least two the of ingredients are suspected to cause cancer. (propylene glycol and sodium laureth sulfate) Many professional brands of shampoo have release shampoos that do not contain these ingredients lately. I don't know about the rest of this person's ingredients, but those two would be enough to not buy their product for me.Check this place out to see how bad some of their ingredients are - http://www.zellersnaturalhealth.com/danger.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugenia Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 That is so funny Carrie. I was going to say the same thing. eIt doesn't say it isn't made with lye, it says:1. She is telling the truth. It isn't a lye product that was made in someone's kitchen.2. This soap was fomulated in a lab. It is true, however, it is very misleading. She is playing on the people's fears of lye to sell her product. Personally, I think it is unethical. I bet it's legal though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridith Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Why couldn't this be misleading? Since it had to have lye in the first place to make the soap? Maybe SHE didn't personally put lye in it, but it was still used during the process to make it. IMO, she is insinuating that lye was not used to make this soap base and I think that is just plain wrong. Unless there is something about the m&p bases I don't understand since I don't use them. Now, lye isn't or shouldn't be present in the finished product, so it is my understanding that you don't have to list lye because of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeana Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 I didn't know that we didn't have to add lye to our ingredients list. I have seen handmade soaps in the health food stores before that don't list lye, I wondered why, and thought that was misleading. Are you sure we don't have to list it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridith Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Everything I have read and my understanding of it says you don't have to list lye since, technically, it is no longer present in the final product. Or at least it better not be present in your final product. If it is, you gots you some problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shannonj Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 actually, you dont have to list any ingredients. Soap is not a cosmetic. you only have to list your ingredients if you make claims such as "moisturizing". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linnyeg Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 However if you live in Canada, you DO have to list all of your ingredients, as well as fill out cosmetic notification forms (as soap IS a cosmetic up here) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridith Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 actually, you dont have to list any ingredients. Soap is not a cosmetic. you only have to list your ingredients if you make claims such as "moisturizing".That is also my understanding but I still list them so that if anyone has real sensitive skin, they can see what's in my soap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melly Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Wow, Linny, thanks for the heads up on those forms. I cant beleive soap, bathbombs, and everything b&b requires registration like that, and bilingual lables, arg, going to have to find me a translator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Angela7 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Actually, it looks the soap is coming from NG - the description, photo & everything else is exactly the same http://www.naturesgardencandles.com/candlemaking-soap-supplies/item/Soap-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jokerjen Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Another way you get get around listing lye as an ingredient is to put "saponified olive oil" etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainmadness Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 I couldn't resist. I emailed her and asked her how her soap is made. Jennifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinInOR Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Looks like someone's creative way of selling melt and pour soap. And people who make soap from scratch advertise "Not made in a lab! Simpler ingredients that you can pronounce!" I feel for you Canadians, your labeling laws are getting a lot stricter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridith Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Looks like someone's creative way of selling melt and pour soap. And people who make soap from scratch advertise "Not made in a lab! Simpler ingredients that you can pronounce!" I feel for you Canadians, your labeling laws are getting a lot stricter.Robin, how can they make this claim, "This is not a lye by-product made in someones kitchen. This is lab formulated" since the base had to have lye in it in the first place? Or does this fall along the lines that "our" handmade soap doesn't have to have lye listed since its no longer present? (Yes, I know that we don't have to list our soap ingredients unless we make certain claims but like I said, I do anyway - except I don't list lye). BTW, I LOVE your response for those that make soap from scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubzz Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 "This is not a lye by-product made in someones kitchen."Well it ISN'T!It's a lye by-product made in someones lab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy_Light Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 I agree... truly misleading. Maybe not a lye (lol) at all but if anyone else goes there to buy something from them (that is know as soap smart as those who make it) and then tries to say it's not a lye-by product while trying to sell it. I'm sure sooner or later someone more knowledgable is going to straighten them out. lol I know if I saw them at a craft fair or something I would defanitely have to point out that lye is what makes the ingredients turn into soap, and how in the world did they manage to do all this without any lye during any of the process... oh I'd love to hear that response.. uhh uhh well uhh.... hmmmmm . lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridith Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Well I don't care WHERE its made. It sends a message that it isn't made with lye and that lye is a bad thing. Very misleading and IMO borders on being a lie. (no pun intended lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainmadness Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 I have not received an answer to the question that I asked her yet...... she doesn't want to discuss soap with someone that knows what they are talking about...... Jennifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridith Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 I have not received an answer to the question that I asked her yet...... she doesn't want to discuss soap with someone that knows what they are talking about...... JenniferSomehow, that doesn't surprise me. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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