Yes Dave you did steal my thread!!!!! But that is okay, cause you are a Pennsylvanian. I am from NE PA a little north of Scranton, and close to you Hay Creek. It sure is cold here, only about 5. Stay warm everyone. Feel better Dave. Do you two buy at all from the 2 candle supply stores in PA? I make the 21/2 hr trip when I need wax.