You know jvfern we've posted before what FO's from a certain supplier worked well in CP soap. When we do FO supplier's and CP, we don't rattle off all the ingrediants we used, just what process and how the FO behaved. No BIG secrets given there, and it helps out your fellow soaper. Common sense tells you that FOs are going to behave differently with different recipes, and the lists are just guidelines. So, there's not really a reason if you wanted to start a thread about XXX supplier's cyclo worked well with XXX FO's you couldn't. If people want to list what ratios they used, then they can, if they don't, they don't. Maybe we'd end up with a good list. The basis of the forum IS for sharing and learning from others. No, it is NOT to spill the beans on your prized soap or lotion recipe. Most (business) people that have success with a certain recipe keep it safely guarded, which makes sense. Look at KFC Not to say they can't take you into the "kitchen" and at least give you some pointers to start out with and help you along the way, which is the aim of this community.