FaithfulScenter Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I'm making the switch today from 444 to 464, and I was wondering what everyone thought of it? Any tips for those that use it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjdaines Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 There have been a few threads recently about 464, you may want to look at those. Most who have tried 464 like it and find that it has decent HT and CT but not will all FO. It has good adhesion but can still develop wet spots over time and produces nice, smooth tops. It doesn't have to be pour at the slushy stage, I find 165F adequate. Sink hole can be a problem if cooling is too fast or uneven. The biggest issue with 464 is frosting. This bothers some people (like me) and other are ok with it. Post burn cosmetics can be poor but, again, just a general soy wax issue. I don't think you will find much difference between 444 and 464 to be honest. I've used 415, 444, and 464. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithfulScenter Posted August 8, 2012 Author Share Posted August 8, 2012 I've found the same with 444, I wasn't really disappointed with it, but it didn't have me jumping for joy either, so I thought I'd shop around a bit!! Every candle I've poured has had wet spots, which drives me nuts, and I always have to heat gun the tops, which doesn't bother me, but if I can avoid it that would be great! Thanks for the input! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbenimble Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I agree with most everything that rjdaines said but I have to pour at 100F to get smooth tops. If I pour hotter I have rough tips and air bubbles. I still have frosting but I do not color so no biggie. As of now I am happy with this wax and continue to use it for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadic Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I find the 464 very easy to use. Typically I pour just a little on the hot side, but it turns out okay. I use cotton core wicks. CT and HT are great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I gave 464 the good old college try for about a year. I could not get over the funky texture the melts and candles evolved to over time. I have some testers in both forms that look and feel almost crumbly - not something I wanted my customers to see if they held on to their candles over several seasons waiting for candle burning weather.Am I the only one 464 morphs on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbenimble Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I gave 464 the good old college try for about a year. I could not get over the funky texture the melts and candles evolved to over time. I have some testers in both forms that look and feel almost crumbly - not something I wanted my customers to see if they held on to their candles over several seasons waiting for candle burning weather.Am I the only one 464 morphs on?No, not at all. I have candles and melts from last season too and they have that crumbly texture to them too. I even have some candles I made this past spring that are half way there. The scent is still amazing though. They are kept in a cool dry area and it still happens. I thought that was just part of what you had to deal with when you work with 464. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 No, not at all. I have candles and melts from last season too and they have that crumbly texture to them too. I even have some candles I made this past spring that are half way there. The scent is still amazing though. They are kept in a cool dry area and it still happens. I thought that was just part of what you had to deal with when you work with 464. Geez. Glad I'm not alone, but sad that others get the crumbliness too. You're a more patient person than I, Jack. I had to switch.Does he morphed texture seem to impact your sales as customers look for smooth, 'fresh' candles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I gave 464 the good old college try for about a year. I could not get over the funky texture the melts and candles evolved to over time. I have some testers in both forms that look and feel almost crumbly - not something I wanted my customers to see if they held on to their candles over several seasons waiting for candle burning weather.Am I the only one 464 morphs on?That's exactly why I switched my melts first from 464/PB blend to 135/PB blend....they looked HORRIBLE after sitting several months- chalk white and crumbly!Then I switched my candles to 415...the 464 burned and smelled good but they too turned chalk white which was not so bad as I don't color but after reading throw reviews I switched and LOVE it!I also started doing my melts with 415/PB and they were really good but didn't seem to last as long (super strong throw but short lived) so I am now still testing Suzy's blend of Xcel/PB and I am very pleased! I can't say I'm convinced they throw as strong but they do last way longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithfulScenter Posted August 9, 2012 Author Share Posted August 9, 2012 I have been using Ecosoya Pillar Blend for tarts, I have about 4 lb of it left and I'm going to try out KY Para soy blend. For candles all I have ever used is 444, if I don't like the 464 I'll give the 415 a try, because I have heard good things about it too!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbenimble Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Geez. Glad I'm not alone, but sad that others get the crumbliness too. You're a more patient person than I, Jack. I had to switch.Does he morphed texture seem to impact your sales as customers look for smooth, 'fresh' candles?By now the entire candle has morphed and since I don't color it doesn't look that bad. The scent is still super strong and I have tested them at this stage and they still burn fine. I've never had anyone at shows say anything about them but they are mainly fresher ones that I've made within the month. My partner is more of the buisness side and I get him to look at those morphed candles and melts and ask him if they look weird without telling him what he's looking for. He says they look good to him. 464 does have its problems but I just dread going backwards with testing now. So for now this is my wax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjdaines Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 So what are the alternatives to 464? There must be a few out there that people like and have minimal problems.C3?EZSoy?Xcel?This board would be an excellent place to come to some consensus as to which is the better soy wax and develop a workable recipe that we all could use as a starting point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 My vote out of the ones I tried- and I tried a lot- is 415 all the way!It is easy to wick- throws like a mother with the right FO's and getting the right temps down along with USA I will never re-test another soy again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithfulScenter Posted August 9, 2012 Author Share Posted August 9, 2012 Moonshine- Where do you buy 415? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I am in Michigan so the best price with shipping and super fast service is candlescience for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 (edited) MillCreek Soy Wax 125 is 100% soybean wax, brand name GB 415. this might help depending where you live. I use CS too because I know I'll have my shipment within 2 days. Edited August 9, 2012 by ChandlerWicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadic Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 I just noticed the price here: http://rusticescentuals.com/Golden-Brands-464-Container-Soy-Wax.html Has anyone seen the 464 at this price anywhere else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithfulScenter Posted August 10, 2012 Author Share Posted August 10, 2012 That is the where I got mine, much cheaper than what I was paying on ebay for the ⁴⁴⁴! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandleindulgence Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Hi,I personally feel 464 is a great wax! It gives a great hot & cold scent throw as well as adhering to the glass with very little to no wet spots. You will love it as well. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForHisGlory Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I just noticed the price here: http://rusticescentuals.com/Golden-Brands-464-Container-Soy-Wax.html Has anyone seen the 464 at this price anywhere else?The 464 is $14.95 at LoneStar: http://www.lonestarcandlesupply.com/products/candlewax_golden-brands-464-enhanced-soy-container-wax.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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