Dana Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I have poured tons of testers with a 25/75 of 444 and 4630. I just cant seem to get the pour temp right. I always get sinkholes. Do you always have to do a 2nd pour with this blend? The only thing I haven't tried is pouring really really hot, like 175 or really really cool, like 110. Is there a magic temp for this blend? TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenda (OH) Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I haven't tried blending the 444 with the 4630 but with a 50/50 blend of 464 and 4630 I pour around 150* and don't experience any sink holes. What temps have poured at and what size jars are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 I have poured at 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 150, 155, 165 and probably everywhere in between! If I pour 140 (about) and above I get sinkholes, and any lower and I get weird white spots (I call them milk spots cause it looks like milk!) Not like frosting, it's different. Maybe I will try more 4630. I really didn't want to go with more paraffin, but I may have to to solve this problem. 30% is just harder to figure too. (for me, anyway), lol. Oh, and I am working on the 8oz. sq. mason with this combo.TIA:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenda (OH) Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I have poured tons of testers with a 25/75 of 444 and 4630. Initially I was thinking your blend was 25% 444 and 75% 4630 but now I am thinking it is the other way around at 75% 444 and 25% 4630. With more soy I would try pouring cooler than 125*. I could be mistaken since I haven't used 444 much but I recall thinking pouring around 100* - 110* or at the slushy stage is typical.I know what you mean about trying to get a 30/70 ratio measured out. I keep my calculator and note pad handy when trying to achieve a blend other than 50/50. Actually I find working in thirds is easier for me. LMK if you need help with the calculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 Oh pooh. I did type that wrong. I am trying 75% 444, 25% 4630. I was hoping to pour hotter with the paraffin added. I usually do pour cool with the 444 alone. Maybe I should keep the same pour temp. I was just getting those funny milk spots when I poured cooler than 130 or something. I'd have to check...but anyway, I think I will try pouring much cooler once to see if that helps with the sinkholes. I hate sinkholes more than anything cause they can cause a really bad candle without you really knowing they are there sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 To tell you the truth, it probably just isn't a very good blend. Making a 70/30 type of wax with good all-around properties (like the commercial products) generally requires starting from the raw materials rather than mixing pre-blended products together.In particular, mixing a small amount of those soft container blends into soy doesn't tend to produce a good result. The other way around--adding a modest amount of soy to a soft container blend--usually works better. Sometimes you can get up to the 50/50 range with decent results.So if it seems like there's no pouring temperature that works well, there probably isn't one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffancy Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I agree with what TOP said about trying to achieve a blend with pre-blended waxes at anything less than 50/50. I've tried just about every soy wax with the 4630 at several different ratios and keep coming back to a 50/50 blend.My blend of choice is C-3/4630 at 50/50. I pour at 150 and get no wet spots, no sink holes, and no frosting. I got similar results with a 60/40 blend but did get a tiny bit of frosting on really dark colors.I still have about 20 fragrances to test but so far this blend has proven itself with every FO I've tested thus far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 Well, looks like I have to pour a few more testers today. I will try a 60/40 and a 50/50 and see how those work. Even though I have a huge pure soy order to get done, I will sneak in a few testers. That is a little more fun anyway, lol. Am I nuts? The thrill of the hunt I guess. I hate pouring testers when it is a wax that I have used for years and can't get it to work right, but this is PLAYING. It is fun to see how they turn out. I would like to add a blend to my line though, if I can get it to work! Thanks everyone for helping! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandleLytes Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 I do a 50/50 with pure soy and 4630 and was having sink holes so I tweaked it a little. I heated it only to 170 and poured at 155 and had no sink holes. Will try again today. No wet spots either.FlightofFancy, what did u heat the wax to? So we had very similiar results, which is a good sign. I think anyway, LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffancy Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 FlightofFancy, what did u heat the wax to?I heat mine up to anywhere between 170 and 180. I haven't noticed any difference in the final product with the slight variance in mixing temps but 150 is my sweet spot for pouring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillowBoo Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 when mixing C-3 and 4630 together do you add anything else to it, and what is your FO load? Anyone mix c-3 and 4627?I hate to waste all these waxes I have.Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jokerjen Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I have poured tons of testers with a 25/75 of 444 and 4630. I just cant seem to get the pour temp right. I always get sinkholes. Do you always have to do a 2nd pour with this blend? The only thing I haven't tried is pouring really really hot, like 175 or really really cool, like 110. Is there a magic temp for this blend? TIA I use 15 oz soy and 1 oz 4630, and I never have a problem no matter what temp I pour. I am using El Soy. And it always sets up and burns like a dream! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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