mrsposey Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I was talking to someone from a scent manufacturer today about scent throw. He told me that the people at his company never could understand why candlemakers added their fragrances at such a high temperature. He said when they make test candles they melt them to just above the melt point. He said that when a fragrance excedes its flash point, elements of the fragrance start to dissipate, reducing its strength. Has anyone heard this?nancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam W Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 haven't heard that but I do know that when I add my FOs at lower temps it doesn't incorporate well and tends to seep out in a nasty way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajp Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I heard this years ago, and tried it and did not notice any difference in the throw with adding at a low vs. high temp. I use 100% soy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth-VT Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Sounds to me like the fragrance manufacturer knows nothing about candle making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carol k Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 makes sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candybee Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I was talking to someone from a scent manufacturer today about scent throw. He told me that the people at his company never could understand why candlemakers added their fragrances at such a high temperature. He said when they make test candles they melt them to just above the melt point. He said that when a fragrance excedes its flash point, elements of the fragrance start to dissipate, reducing its strength. Has anyone heard this?nancyMaybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that I am not adding my fragrance into the wax at the FOs flash point. At least I know that many of them have a higher flash point than the temp I heat the wax too. On the other hand, I too have experienced poor oil incorporation if I don't heat the wax to the recommended temps to add my oils and dyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PixieWick Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 After i melt the wax .. i always let it cool down by 10 degree's an never had a problem with the scent not throwing or incorping to the wax..if you add the oil at to high a temp it can burn the oil thus ruining it an you may as well throw that batch awaykinda found out the hard way on that one and wont do it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debscent Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I'd be curious which manufacturer this is. The melt point of my wax is 118 degrees, no way could I add FO at that temp and get the FO and wax incorporated enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForHisGlory Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I'd be curious which manufacturer this is. The melt point of my wax is 118 degrees, no way could I add FO at that temp and get the FO and wax incorporated enough.Right, my wax melt point is 123 degrees. It's pretty common sense you can't heat the wax beyond the flashpoint of the FO, but I wasn't aware of the instructions for the wax.I might check that out and see what happens. Maybe on Monday or right now - naw - Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxSioux Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 I'm not a chemistry genius, but logic leads me to believe this guy is a typical salesman spouting off partial truths that perpetuate confusion. The flash point of the fo is a tested temp based solely on the fo by itself & a heat source. Once you add the fo to wax, you have altered the chemical properties of the two ingredients & create a more stable environment for the fo to withstand a heat source. If you follow the 'idea' of the salesman, he's basically saying the fo can't withstand a temp higher than the flashpoint & any higher temp will burn off the scent. The exact temp of a burning candle has too many variables (size, wick, wax, container), but I can guarantee you it's far hotter than any fo flashpoint. According to The Candle Cauldron, "On average, the maximum flame temperature will be about 2550 deg F." Based on what the salesman is saying, it wouldn't matter what temp we add the fo, cause the burning of the candle would destroy all scent. All I know for sure is: I add all my fo's at 180 & they work perfectly w/ my wax. I've never been satisfied w/ the results of incorporating fo at lower temps.Susan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SliverOfWax Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 It's pretty common sense you can't heat the wax beyond the flashpoint of the FO, Huh? Care to expound on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.S. Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Huh? Care to expound on that?I think what he's trying to say is that most fo flash points are well above any temperature anyone is heating their wax to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cindym Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 I was talking to someone from a scent manufacturer today about scent throw. He told me that the people at his company never could understand why candlemakers added their fragrances at such a high temperature. He said when they make test candles they melt them to just above the melt point. He said that when a fragrance excedes its flash point, elements of the fragrance start to dissipate, reducing its strength. Has anyone heard this?nancy The most obvious question to ask him is how he gets his thicker fo's incorportated into his wax. If he can answer that one for you then I might feel the advice he is giving you may have some validity. However I am sure he will not have an answer.Just because the melt point of a wax is say 123 degrees, when you are heating large amounts all of the wax will not be melted at 123 degrees. Some of the wax will be at 160 but you will still have unmelted wax in your melter. Sooooo be careful who you listen to. There is plenty of misinformation out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang67 Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Thank you TXSOUIX, that is basically when I add my FO. Heat wax to 180...add FO at 165-170 and pour at 155. It is pure heaven! Oh, I always warm my FO, finger test won't burn. Have never had a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForHisGlory Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 I think what he's trying to say is that most fo flash points are well above any temperature anyone is heating their wax to.Thanks, RS! I didn't word my explanation very well! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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