EmpressC Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 How do you all get the really white looking CP soap? It seems to make swirls look that much better. Does it depend on the oils/butters used, or are you all adding a white color? TIA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridith Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 It does depend on the oils, butter and FO you use in your recipe - for example, a soap high in olive pomace or a castille soap can turn out more of a green color while a soap using lard, CO, PKO would probably be more of a white bar - barring the use of an FO that discolors. You can also add TD to make a whiter bar. Too much TD though can cause the bar to be chalky.ETA - I didn't mean to hit the post button. sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJohnson Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 I use 40% Olive Oil in my soaps and I use TD at 1/2 tsp to 2.5 pounds of soap and I get a nice white bar of soap...Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hibiscus Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 I use oo as well but I don't use TD and my soap is a off white and I'm happy with it. As far as swirling is concerned, I think off white works just as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJohnson Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 this is a picture of my white soap using TDKris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpressC Posted June 26, 2007 Author Share Posted June 26, 2007 Thanx for the info, ladies! Gotta love this forum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpressC Posted June 26, 2007 Author Share Posted June 26, 2007 Another question: where can I get TD? Thx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel91805 Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 I got mine at WSP...Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasBrat Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 I get mine at MMS http://www.thesage.com/catalog/Colors.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firegirl Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Hmmm.. Well EmpressC now I know what might have gone wrong with my failed batch of soap??? :embarasse :embarasse :embarasse :embarasse :embarasse :embarasse I added a LOT more than 1/2 tsp for my 2# batch..like triple what is suggested here.. oops.. I wonder if that is what made it turn into soap toffee?? I am such a dork.. goes to show that more is not always better... ... skipping away and kicking my feet...:embarasse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firegirl Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 this is a picture of my white soap using TDKrisboy does this look nice!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 I added a LOT more than 1/2 tsp for my 2# batch..like triple what is suggested here.. oops.. I wonder if that is what made it turn into soap toffee??I've used up to 1 teaspoon TD to a pound of oils with no problem, although I usually use a bit less than that. I'm surprised to hear that 1/4 teaspoon per pound even makes a noticeable difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firegirl Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 I use 40% Olive Oil in my soaps and I use TD at 1/2 tsp to 2.5 pounds of soap and I get a nice white bar of soap...Kriskjohnson, When are you adding the TD to your soap? I read that it is supposed to be added at trace? Thanks!Teri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJohnson Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 I mixed my TD with a tiny bit of glycerin..mix it well..then add at trace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CareBear Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 it's hard to get a stark white bar without TD. Except my castile (and also my laundry soaps which are 100% CO or 100% lard and you probably wouldn't want to wash with those - they are too harsh for me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carriegsxr6 Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 If you want a real white bar, you need to use oils like Liquid Soybean, Coconut, Palm, PKO, castor etc. and if you want to add olive, look in grocery stores for a bottle of Light Olive Oil. Its hard to find cause most manufactorers wont take the time to refine it that much, but I have been able to find some by Bertolli. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scent Cellar Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 I used to use the Bertolli Extra Light olive oil and agree that it makes for a whiter CP soap however I don't use any olive oil since I started using rice bran. Several of the f/o's I use from AH/RE make a white, white soap as they are crystal clear in the bottle. I have used the TD also but I am not happy with the soaps when I used it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbv1 Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 My baby soap is pretty white naturally. I use Coconut, Palm and Shea Butter with jojoba oil and apricot kernal oil. There is no olive oil in it.For my soaps that I use Olive Oil and want to swirl a color in, I add the TD in the lye/water. I was having problems adding it into the oils and the soap would trace too quickly and then I would get white specs in the soap, yuk. Since I started adding the TD in the lye/water I don't have that problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CareBear Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I did an experiment where I made 3 batches of pure castile (no castor, just the OO). One with pomace OO, one with regular Bertolli, and one with Bertolli Extra Light. The pomace resulted in a soap with an off-white tinge that was quite noticeable. At first the Extra Light was whiter than the regular Bertolli, but by 2 weeks into the aging they were EXACTLY the same shade of white. I couldn't believe it so I brought it into work to have it tested on some meter and yup - same color. And while on this topic, did an experiment with shea (75% CO/25% shea butter) and the refined DOES result in a whiter bar than the unrefined - slight but real difference there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpressC Posted June 27, 2007 Author Share Posted June 27, 2007 What about an FO that discolors (like Pink Sugar)? Will TD circumvent that problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugenia Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 What about an FO that discolors (like Pink Sugar)? Will TD circumvent that problem?Nope. It may be lighter, but it will discolor. Large percentages of lard will give a nice white bar. Personally, the natural color does not bother me in the least. I have used TD only a handful of times. I don't care for the chalky look the soap gets when wet. It rinses fine but looks odd in the interim.e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpressC Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 My baby soap is pretty white naturally. I use Coconut, Palm and Shea Butter with jojoba oil and apricot kernal oil. There is no olive oil in it.For my soaps that I use Olive Oil and want to swirl a color in, I add the TD in the lye/water. I was having problems adding it into the oils and the soap would trace too quickly and then I would get white specs in the soap, yuk. Since I started adding the TD in the lye/water I don't have that problem.I wish I had come back and re-read this thread before using my TD. I added way too much and added to the oils before adding the lye. As soon as I turned on the stick blender, it began to trace. I set a bit aside cuz this was going to be my first attempt at swirling. I added my green dye from BCN and for some odd reason this dye just sort of beaded up and didn't really add any color. I'm not sure why since I've used it in CP in the past and it blended just fine. Could the TD have been the problem???Sigh...Well, I put it to bed in the fridge. Who knows what it will turn out to be though. Waaaaahhhh!!!!! :awww: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CareBear Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 I have now started exploring the 100% Coconut Oil/20% superfat idea. It's white as snow, hard as a brick, and NOT drying in the least. Whoda thunk, after all my agonies, that this easy route to a white white bar existed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeJae Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 I have now started exploring the 100% Coconut Oil/20% superfat idea. It's white as snow, hard as a brick, and NOT drying in the least. Whoda thunk, after all my agonies, that this easy route to a white white bar existed!Ok, I am going to let the stupid soap side of me come out.So in soapcalc you are just putting in 100% coconut and up top where it says 5% superfat you change that to 20? Is this correct?And did you discount water or use it as soap calc says? Thanks CareBear for sharring again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridith Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 I have now started exploring the 100% Coconut Oil/20% superfat idea. It's white as snow, hard as a brick, and NOT drying in the least. Whoda thunk, after all my agonies, that this easy route to a white white bar existed!That is cool that you tried that and even cooler your results! Was this an unscented bar? Just the simplicity of the recipe is very appealing and coconut oil is so easy to get locally. I've been reading some threads on the Dish that are discussing the integrity of oo and the oo industry. Now it has me wondering if there weren't times I've had a "compromised" jar of oo since I have not always gotten a white bar from it - more of an off color and with unscented. :undecided:undecided:undecided:undecided I love the look of a white bar. Sometimes white bars are a nice break from the color. But I have to always go back to the colors. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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