momof4kids Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Is it possible, or do you need the beeswax to make it harden? I wanted to try to make some, but don't think that there is any place local that I can buy beeswax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryann Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 If you use other cosmetic wax and hard butters then yes. You won't have a super hard balm, but it can be done. I've tweeked mine and use very little beeswax and luv how soft the balm is. I don't like balms that are super hard, it leaves a waxy feeling on my lips, I like when the balm melts on contact-it requires less effort to apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momof4kids Posted December 31, 2006 Author Share Posted December 31, 2006 what else would be considered a cosmetic wax ? Are there any that you can buy locally or do they have to be ordered on line? And are Mango and Cocoa butter considered a hard butter? Sorry so many questions, I am new to this.Thanks for your help!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth-VT Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Try some candelia wax too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sudsnwicks Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Other cosmetic waxes, such as candelilla wax, would most likely have to be purchased online, just like beeswax. If you make it without the wax, you could use a hard butter like cocoa butter. You may also want to consider putting in in a jar instead of a tube, so that a softer consistency would not matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dovestudios Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I use cosmetic grade soy wax in my lip balm. I love the silky feel of it. It doesn't have the waxy feel that many other waxes have.If you want something for added hardness, you can use Carnauba wax flakes.**Edited to add: I purchase many of my oils, hard butters and waxes at MMS: http://www.thesage.com/catalog/FixedOil.html Not only are their products and service great, there is great information about each product including its sap value (for soap) and its melting point.Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryann Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I use soywax as well, plus cocoa butter along with other softer butters and oils. A pot is a good idea for softer balms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLSoaps Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 As you've read from the others, yes, you can make lip balm without beeswax. I just wanted to toss in one other experience I had with lip balms when I first started making them. I bought a block of beeswax from Michaels, and used it to make lip balms. And my lip balms were gritty. I was told by others it was most likely the shea butter causing the problem. I tried again, this time with no hard butters (nothing that could accidentally grain on me like that), and it was still gritty. It was the beeswax. It wasn't the highest quality (I'm not saying yours won't be, just that mine wasn't), and somehow caused tiny bits of grit to form in my balm.I now make lip balms by the thousands (I have a huge international wholesale account), and I still make them using refined white beeswax. I toyed with switching to soy, but kept telling myself, "don't fix what ain't broke!" There are non-beeswax options, but you'd have a lot harder time finding them locally than you would beeswax. I have some soy wax if you're interested in trying some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momof4kids Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 Thanks for everyones help!! I put in an order at MMS a couple of days ago and went with the Soy Wax instead of beeswax. I bought a few pots and tubes so I can try both. Now we will have to see if I can actually make something out of the things I bought!Thanks again to everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CareBear Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 soy wax is softer. I tried some with carnuba but it was grainy - gonna try again some day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soycrazy Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Does anyone have a recipe for the soy wax lip balm? I would rather go the vegan route:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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