celicagtca Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Ok who can tell me a little bit about this experience I just had. I was testing Ecosoya Pure in a 4 oz. clear flower pot with a Spiced Pear fragrant oil today. Cured the candle all night and had it lit for about 5 hours when all of a sudden I looked over and the whole top of the melted wax was on flames!!!! Is this an indication that there might me alcohol in this oil????? Thank goodness I never sold any of these before testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle Man Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I don't know what could have caused the wax to flame but I do know that 5 hours is to long of a burn for that size container. The proper burn rate should be a full melt pool in hours for the diameter of the container. So if it's a 2 1/2" container with the right size wick you should get a complete melt pool in that time and not burn for more then those hours because the candle gets to hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicky_CO Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 That actually sound like the FO didn't mix well and as soon as it got hot and caught fire. I have seen that happen with gel candles but never a soy before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenniejr Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Oh my!! Glad you are okay! I'm not sure what would have caused that. Is this oil something you got from a supplier? Or did you buy it off someone? I hope someone will have the answer for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Where can I get that FO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carol k Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 i had that happen once with pure soy dyed black it was one of two thingsbecause of all the dye to get it black or i did fill the container to full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donita Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Oh no.....this reminds me of the exploding votives. Donita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuskokaMom Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Of course the only thing I could think of is that the FO didnt mix for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharyl55 Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Cheryl, I've done 8 to 12 hr power burns with the flower pots since I'm sure that's how a customer will burn them and not had that happen with a J223 / Ecosoya blend. Could it be the FO? What % did you use?PS Glad you are OK. This is a good reminder to newbie about the necessity of testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celicagtca Posted April 1, 2006 Author Share Posted April 1, 2006 i had that happen once with pure soy dyed black it was one of two thingsbecause of all the dye to get it black or i did fill the container to full.If I added dye, I would have pinpointed that as a possible cause, but no dye was incorporated. I have over 140 oils I work with and this is the first time this has ever happened. First thing tomorrow I will notify the supplier so they can check into this a little further before selling anymore.I used less than .20 of an oz. to 3.5 oz. wax and maybe I didn't stir it enough and some of the oil rose to the top when it cured. I really have no concrete explanation for what happened, but it sure opened my eyes and scared the crap out of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celicagtca Posted April 1, 2006 Author Share Posted April 1, 2006 Cheryl, I've done 8 to 12 hr power burns with the flower pots since I'm sure that's how a customer will burn them and not had that happen with a J223 / Ecosoya blend. Could it be the FO? What % did you use?PS Glad you are OK. This is a good reminder to newbie about the necessity of testing.Hi Sharyl,I've also performed the power burn with the flower pots and like you, never had a problem. My guess is that it's the oil...bad batch!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tess Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Hi Sharyl,I've also performed the power burn with the flower pots and like you, never had a problem. My guess is that it's the oil...bad batch!!Ditto I do flower pot votives too, and I power burn mine like crazy. I mean cmon what customer actually burns a votive for an hour:tongue2: ? I have never had this happen. But it does sound like the FO did not mix, and may have seeped up top and caught on fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvnmt Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Wow that is really scary. I am glad that you are OK.I have a question, though. I do not sell my candles, just give them to friends and family. But assuming you did everything right, and this happened to a customer, then what? Are you protected as long as you put a warning label on it? What if it is a totally random thing, do we need to be putting "warning-candle may spontaneously combust" on the labels? Just kidding, but seriously I would hate for that to happen to one of my friends and their whole kitchen catches on fire. Any thoughts?? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisR Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 I had that happen with a cinnamon blend FO once..........it was just too much oil for the application!! That is more than likely what your problem was also......not a bad oil, just too much and it pooled at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol M Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 I had that happen when I first started making candles several years ago. It was a cherry oil (very strong oil with an alcohol-type smell oob). If I were using it now, I would know to take it easy; but I was new then, and probably added more oil than would blend into the wax. I wasn't using soy, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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