Hey Misty, Ya know I would have never thought to use North's. Duh, stupid me. I know the South's just seizes no matter how I try to soap it. I get a lot of request for CM soap, so I need to come up with something and fast. I tried again tonight and the darn thing seized and started heating up on me as I was scooping it into the mold. Oils and lye was around 85 and was doing full water. Every time it smells great, just UGLY, lol. I'll have to try BCN. Thanks