I'm actually a member of both groups. I do not recall the other supplier ranting and raving, she did comment on it because the other supplier was brining it out into the open. I do recall ss discussing it on her yahoo group. If you go to her group now, she has deleted all those posts to cover her tracks. I didn't see any bitches/issues anywhere with this. If you don't want to see it, don't read it. As far as SS goes, I too have had good service. But with all this stuff going on, I stopped ordering from them. I won't order from people that think they own rights to names that other companies have used long before them. There are plenty of other suppliers out there, without the drama.