Well...I don't always go "by the book".... <sniff...sniff...wiping eyes> Most times my lye is chilled and definately NOT room temperature or warmer. No problems here! Of course, I avoid gel like the plague, but have an oven warmed up just in case something decides it wants to gel (and then, by God, it's gonna gel ALL the way even if I have to help it!). I love gift horses, and don't look in their mouths at ALL! Remember this VERY important step though.....we will EXPECT pictures tomorrow. Donna :::who, grumbling, added Orchid Rain to her evergrowing NG list!:::