Thanks for the compliments they are very encouraging. I started out with M&P back in Sept 06. I like it but I think I like the CP even better. Almost to the point that I may just keep doing the CP. I appreciate all of the info I can get. You're right I'm not even thinking about water discount since I have never heard of it before. Currently I have tried 1 recipe and I used it for both batches. The only difference is the first batch was much smaller. http://www.pvsoap.com/recipe_sheasoap_washcloth.htm I plan on trying out some different recipes and in the future creating something of my own. I love experimenting! So far I have learned to make M&P, now CP, Lotion, Body Spray, Room Spray, Body Butter, Bath Butter and Sugar Scrub and I am not using any bases except for the bath butter. I really am enjoying learning all of these new things! Thanks Again, Kelly