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On 3/22/2020 at 8:46 PM, ErronB said:

 

I have spirals coming, but I'm messing with the tube ones which I'm presuming are the same but smaller. They are working pretty good at low fragrance loads, no issues lighting them or staying lit which has always been a problem with using their other wicks since they changed the wood types. I think they were originally meant to be used over the top of a regular wick just for an aesthetic touch. 

I have seen some using the tubes alone and some with a regular cotton wick as suggested by WW.  Are you using it without a cotton wick?

TallTayl is correct. 

I purchased a candle that was 100% soy.  When I first opened the lid prior to burning, the wick was very long and curled up due to them placing the lid on without trimming, I believe they may use wick spools.  Anyhow, they have instructions on the bottom that say to trim to 1/4" before lighting.  I thought it was clever that they take out the extra work for themselves of not going back after pouring to trim each one.  However, some customers may not even ever know there is instructions at the bottom and just lights it as is.  I wonder how that would burn 🤨 

1 hour ago, NightLight said:

It's not just the wax either. There are post and posts and about different wicks working with different waxes! 

Exactly, multiple factors that result in the final product.  Goodluck and try to have some fun with it.

Also agree with @NightLight about trying both out.  This craft REALLY is subjective of preference.  I have tried wax blends people rave about and not liked them as well as loving ones nobody really talks about.

I have not really dabbled enough into pure soy myself, but I have read pros and cons to both on groups.  However, C3 seems to be the top choice among many and those who use it have good reviews when looking at their business.  Hope this helps!

ETA: I do hear it can be temperamental in appearance and pouring temps.

Can anyone confirm NG wax blends are the same manufacturer as Flaming's Problends?

Pillar of bliss is a granulated parasoy tart wax like Problend 650.  I know for certain by a email years ago that CJ Robinson manufactures this granulated form.

Joy wax is a container parasoy wax and looks very much like Problend 600.  However, I see so many on social media groups that swear joy sometimes catches fire, varies from batch to batch, and loses scent throw whereas they feel Problend is the superior alternative.  This is odd to me if they are indeed the same wax under different names 🤔

Wow wax is a paraffin container wax and looks like Problend 400.  Wow doesn't get the best reviews, but I know someone using Problend 400 in their melts with outstanding feedback.  

I know this all subjective and we all have our favorite blends/certain preferences in the final product, but it baffles me how the same person can use the same wax and believe it's much different because of the name.  Unless NG is adding something to the CJ Robinson blends to indeed make it that much different.  Similar to how CW uses IGI as a base, but blends it to their specs.

6 minutes ago, TallTayl said:

When the announcement originally came that ASO would be manufacturing 464 / 464 equivalent, I took it to mean from scratch using the 464/formula, not importing their wax to remelt into a new format. 

That could be true as well, like CW with IGI.

6 minutes ago, TallTayl said:

 

 

 

midwest soy has always felt “dry” out of the bag.  My interpretation is they are using their Own base soy materials, with Gb’s prescribed additives and process for “freedom soy”.  I’m happy to be wrong, though. 

now I really want to buy a bag. 🤣

I agree, Midwest is very dry and brittle/powdery out of the bag.  Well now I dont know what to do with this bag of 464 beads from them if freedom is a different blend.  No point in testing it and not being able to get it from them if I were to like it.

I actually am in the process of testing pre-made parasoy vs doing my own blend for candles.  I'm thinking if I did my own, Midwest may be the way to go for the soy portion since it has less additives and many claim its consistent.  However, I see a lot of those loving the C series from Cargill as well so I am torn.  It is nice to hear from @TallTayl that they are consistent (no jinx intended) since they're main focus is wax.  However, I do know companies who are fragrance oil focused and can still have duds from those as well.  I guess I'm trying to figure out if blending is even worth it if there is a parasoy container wax out there I'll love just as much with less headache.  Whichever paraffin I would use can vary at anytime also I'm sure, so blending my own doesn't necessarily mean I'm more consistent.  Unless that is, I used plain paraffin with a plain soy, but then there is additives ratios to figure out.

It is Neverending!

38 minutes ago, Peggy T said:

I kept searching and found this post which says that American Soy Organics had taken the 464 flakes and processed it into beads which they claim controls moisture and inconsistencies. It seems weird that they'd change their marketing to make it look like an entirely different product but who knows...🤷‍♀️I reckon I can try both the Freedom and 100% soy and see what I think. I just want a product that's CONSISTENT. 

 

I'm not sure if it increases the throw so much, but their logic makes sense.  There were a lot on here tempering their soy prior to use for better performance.  Therefore, if ASO heats the flakes, cools, and processes into beads, they're merely tempering it for you.  They may add another wax in with it since they're melting it anyway to call it their own, but I guess we cannot be 100% sure.

@Peggy T also see this thread

I emailed Keystone on this.  They responded with the following message:

"They are pretty different. Peak was more gingery and Iced Gingerbread's more Nutmeg."
 

It is crazy how we all get different results because grandma's cupboard burns my nose hair strong and thats with a half ounce melt throughout my entire home.  I like the notes of the MC oatmeal cookie.  However, I am not sure I will continue with it because I have not been that impressed with enough other oils from them to continue ordering.  Again, my opinion and others may have better outcomes with them.  

1 hour ago, bfroberts said:

Have you gone back to your previous process to determine if the problem is procedural? 

That is exactly what I was going to suggest, at least to narrow down any other possible issue before switching wax all together.

Which oil were you using and wattage on your warmer?

Even though wax is technically supposed to be odorless out of the box, each one has a slight undertone I think to more sensitive noses.  Alot of longterm soy users will try paraffin, but rush right back to soy, stating the paraffin had a off smell to them.  I personally do not like the smell of the palm wax I tried from Milcreek and I know alot had a problem with the new ecosoya wax smelling like vinegar.

Edit to add: sounds like a similarity between your 6006 and the 4627 as far as having the smell when it's too hot.  Makes sense if it only happens for you towards the bottom of the jar.

How many times do they have to throw around the word natural in one paragraph 🤦‍♀️

27 minutes ago, TallTayl said:

I honestly think more falls into the fragrance oil realm for performance. We don’t generally have easy access to the concentrations or quality of candle fragrances as most majors. Our retailers are trying to appease too many markets (soap, lotion, candles, etc) with one single concentration of product. Fragrances made specifically for candles without regard for skin sensitivity can be compounded to perform much differently. 

Great explanation!  I agree with our suppliers trying to appease multiple markets and it does seem to affect performance in wax.  Yes there are many that throw well, but I can tell lack of longevity from majority that are made skin safe.  That is to be expected as being too concentrated would give negative skin reactions.  Even retailers that call themselves a candle company have lots of oils made for candle making and skincare.  I want more candle only focused oil companies!!

So what is the best way to save wax for overpours?  Say you poured 8 different fragrances but only have 4 pour pots.  You cant just keep leftover wax in the pots ready to heat next day unless you have a pot for each scent at the time.  I guess you could pour leftover wax into a container to cool, then just pop it back in the melter next day like a melt.  However, that is applying more heat to those oils.  Do you all just do enough for the first pour then start all over next day with a smaller fresh batch for top offs?

I did see this interesting article from Candlewic awhile ago, so the information out there can definitely be conflicting.  Note, the low temp looks like it mostly applies to soy.  I am guessing that is because soy cools slower?

Being on the topic of what material / lining would be ok for candles, I have a question.  I have seen some candle companies (mostly primitive) use soup cans.  I myself do not eat that many canned goods so I was on the hunt for cans with no labels.  I found some online but they say they are "gold polyester lined", some that say "enamel lined", "electrolytic tin coated steel", etc.  I am going to order and test for myself but does anyone here have more experience in knowing these materials?  Do not mind some great knowledge on this to save me some hassle if I knew for sure it does not work well.  

Can we get TCR wicks in the US or is there a wick series similar?  Paper core?

On 12/18/2019 at 9:21 PM, Soy-N-Suds said:

I used Millennium for several years (5 years) from Enchanted Lites. Yes, it got very expensive and when I sold my storefront I couldn't buy in bulk like I used to. I've been using Midwest straight for my Soy candles and use it in my proprietary blend for my parasoy.

 

i don't know that I want to try a new wax, but I was wondering if anyone knows since I buy from them. 

Which wick do you like with straight Midwest if you don't mind sharing?  

On 1/16/2020 at 12:45 AM, Wax Boy said:

I talked to ASO and specifically asked the question if it was GB464 and the answer I was given was it was 100% Midwest with some form of botanical blend.  I have been testing Freedom the last few weeks and havent been extremely impressed yet.  I've been a Millenium user since I can get it locally.

That is interesting as I was told in the past that their millenium is the midwest with botanical blend.  The freedom is 464 in pellet form and I know this because the tab in my search bar says 464 when I click on their freedom wax link.

17 hours ago, Laura C said:

Ecosoya out of business? Maybe, maybe not. As of Feb. 2020 looks like EcoSoya was bought out by Kerax Ltd. in the UK and will be reopening.  https://ecosoyabrands.com/index.html

But does this mean the same Q series formula or the original prior to reformulating?