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8 minutes ago, wthomas57 said:

I hope so too. I dont like 4630 as much as 6006.. not even close really. Same with 4627. But i think there have been a few bad lots. If yours is coming to you and already yellowish, that is a problem. Get it replaced. If its becoming yellow while sitting in your posession it couold be lights. UV can affect non colored wax too and discolor it. It happens. Just something to note,

It was already yellow tinted when I received it and I've kept it in my wax closet or wax bin which is a dark cool place.  I'll contact BA.

Mine unfortunately does not have a lot number since it's a slab, but my slab has a control #48317.  That probably doesn't help anyone.

On 7/23/2017 at 8:37 PM, KimmyPee said:

So I just cracked open my new case of 6006 from BA, looks like it's the same lot discussed above. Attached is pic of the lot and in the tote is the wax from BA, left, and wax I had received a couple months ago from Candlescience. Major difference!

Did anyone find out what was going on? Did testing result in changing wicks? UGH ?

See mine is like the left and I also ordered from BA!!  Wow, now I am questioning my whole testing and judgement on this wax since I've been testing from the same slab.  Wow, this is discouraging.

I was also under the assumption after some reading that it is 70 paraffin 30 soy.  I've mentioned this before on another thread but my 6006 I am testing for melts is very yellow and has darkened even more as it sits.  It's very soft/greasy and I'm having a hard time believing the melt point on my particular slab.  Imho, I think the paraffin part is either their 4630 or 4627 since it's already in their lineup and the texture to me seems very similar.  I really hope nothing is wrong with mine because it would mean that all of my testing with it would be inaccurate.  I have heard so many good things about it but I've not been blown away with this wax even over a month cure so I tend to wonder.  Especially since I do love 4630 and if that's part of the blend, no doubt it should be stellar.  I hope you get a better response that would help us more.

I actually have pineapple cake from ICS in TCS tart wax warming right now and it travelled to my bedroom and master bath which is all the way at the other end of the house!  By the way, usually I don't seem to get a throw past my laundry room which is 3/4 of the house.  Props to ICS for the quality oil and to TCS for an amazing wax!  Cannot wait to keep testing more oils, will try and keep you updated.  We need to keep TCS in business!

Fresh roses is very strong and true to name, also fruit loops, baked apple, Apple pie, zucchini bread are all good.  I had a sweet dear friend of mine that sent me some of their tart wax and I have to say I'm impressed so far, only have tried stronger oils in it as of yet though.  More testing by far.  

Anyone try Flamings Fireside Marshmallow?  I love that it smells like a BBW dupe, am awaiting cure time in several wax blends prior to testing for throw. 

22 hours ago, TallTayl said:

 

how much is a little wax in a cup? A few cents? Those cups of color will be use later for something, they always are once you learn more from them. 

I wasn't doing tiny cups to test as it seems you would only use the tip of a toothpick for that amount and it's hard to count how many toothpick dips you would need for an actual 4-8 ounce batch.  Of course I wouldn't sweat over wasting a portion cup of wax.  4 ounces to a half pound seems better for measuring drops, but is more wasteful. 

You got that right 

I was afraid that I may waste alot of wax as I go, but I know you're right...no easy straight forward set way I guess. Thank you so much!  Onto more testing....

Beautiful woman!  I would buy stuff if I seen that walking by 

Beautiful as always Trappeur 

How did you find your niche since the wax and bath market is so saturated?  Especially since there are only so many ways each can be created/packaged.  Melts are especially harder due to scent being sucked out of certain materials plus the costs of supplies to present it vs profit seems a very fine line with wax as the wax world does not like to spend over a certain amount per ounce.  The number one answer to top vendors regarding advice to new small business owners are to find your niche.  For some, that doesn't seem to come as easy.  They recommend you list things that you love or enjoy (aside from your craft haha) and go from there.  What happens when all of your ideas are already out there with thousands maybe millions of others once you look it up?  Melts for example: everyone has clams, shapes, chunks, portion cups, brittle etc. and they all have to be packaged in clamshells, portion cups, polypro bags such as zip sample bags, bag with tie and some use bakery bags.  I know mostly scent blends set you apart but in the wax world, all of those blends are becoming not so original any longer.  Is it the labels being a theme of your niche?  Colors?  All?  There are a lot of top vendors selling the same type of niche but putting a different name/label on it, is this enough to stand out?!

On 7/6/2017 at 9:48 AM, TallTayl said:

I have both, and am going to get to the wick test project once my summer event settles.

 

 

4630 is surprisingly sturdy in heat given the texture. It contains a lot of petrolatum, making it super sticky.

 

4786 (the slabs I have) are extremely hard. I tried HTp wicks in them and the smoke was unbelievable. And dance from a draft and plumes of smoke came off the candle. Flames were super tall too. People who I know use This wax have lit photographs that confirm it was not just my experience.

 

have not gotten far enough along to test for throw. Until basic wick is settled on to eliminate the two biggest problem I had I won't go further. 

That is good to know about the 4630 in heat just in case I want it in my blend.  The 4786 is hard but not brittle like the 4625 or 4794.  I'm still debating on the best way to break/slice the 4786.  It seems to be soft enough to bend a corner but not enough for easy slicing.  It's hard but not as hard to where I could hammer and knife it.  The smoke is a bummer, thank goodness I'm not venturing into candles yet.  I definitely do not blame you for wanting to get one thing down prior to proceeding.

On 7/6/2017 at 2:45 AM, Nickie said:

Why not a blend of the 2 to solve most of the issues you've mentioned?  Or are you only wanting to use 1 wax?  

I'm honestly not sure how many waxes I would like to use yet, but I have blended these two together and it wasn't the appearance I desired.  I am not sure if I want to start messing around with 3 waxes in each blend, but never can tell at this stage.  I think I may be playing with wax blends for a long time to come even though it's already been quite awhile since I started.

Maybe they need broken in more, but I definitely noticed it :/

Hello friends!

I am still testing these darn wax blends, these stress migraines are going to kill me   I like the throw of both so far in my blends.  The 4630 tends to be easier to cut whereas the 4786 is a bugger as it tends to bend vs being able to slice easily.  4630 is more readily available but doesnt rule out that 4786 is a stellar wax for many.  The 4630 would most definitely melt during warmer months against the 4786.  Which one of these two do you all love and why?

Have a great week 

18 hours ago, Flicker said:

People love to use the good ole it's natural approach to soy wax. I always ask them if Margarine is considered all natural, or how about Crisco? Then I go on to explain that soy is even further hydrogenated than those two. I left info on Hydrogenation process as well as the use of Hexane to produce the final product. My answer was it's about as natural as plastic. I also noted that crude oil which makes paraffin is a fully biodegradable end product as well and well, it comes from the earth so is just as natural if not more so than soy. Also it's good to point out that EVERY single crop of soybeans has some degree of roundup ready beans that infiltrate it. There isn't an organic soy wax I am aware of.

I have heard of a company named American soy organics, but I am not sure if their wax is actually organic.

21 hours ago, TallTayl said:

Here are a few. Just search soy hexane in the search bar and a whole slew pop up.

http://www.craftserver.com/topic/110222-soy-wax

 

http://www.craftserver.com/topic/104050-is-a-truly-organic-candle-possible

 

http://www.craftserver.com/topic/101313-organic-or-non-gmo-soy-wax

 

it takes a lot of fossil fuel to plant, grow, harvest, transport and primary process beans. Then it takes chemical processes to extract and transform the oils. More fossil fuel to transport the hydrogenated product, then more processing to make wax. And even more to get it to distributors, retailers and then to us. If that is more green than any other wax product, well I am skeptical. 

 

The soy lobby has done a marvelous job at finding uses for soy beans, candle making is a fringe market for them, but fairly profitable. Too bad it steamrolled better-to-work-with waxes out of the way. 

Thank you, I was not sure of the best keywords to find it.

May I ask the best way for color testing without wasting tons of wax and oils?  There's got to be a better way than adding a little of this and little of that and simply hoping it comes out what you envisioned in the mixing cup.  Even dropping on wax paper, paper towels etc is a good way to see prior to pouring/cooling but still has me gambling in the mixing cup itself.  Like if I wanted to mix 1 drop of this and 2 drops of another and it's a horrible color in the cup, I just wasted that batch.  I'm not that good at guessing what the color will do or what I need to add to make it what it's supposed to be. The wax starts cooling quicly so time is of the essence, I thought even liquids have to be in a certain temperature for even application.  I definitely know you need a different amount of color depending on how much wax. The toothpick method is nice for testing small batches but seems hard to calculate/convert for larger batches.  I don't want to overthink it and I know testing is key, but it seems to be a bit of a science to get this down when you want to do it right.  Do you all use color charts or just guess?  I think I'm going to test colors without using my oils, this may waste wax but at least it will not waste oils as well in the process.  I know this is supposed to be a fun part in testing so I am trying not to stress too much, but I just want to do it correctly and there's no reason for me to waste wax if there is a better way.  Thank you everyone as always.

I am glad I found this as the same thing happened to me wthomas.  I did a fresh gain oil that transferred slightly onto the bakery tarts I poured next day (they even aired out overnight).  Now these are flexible molds but same concept.  It takes quite some time just getting the tarts to cool in the molds enough to pop out.  Now to have to wash in between each pour also seems like a century just for each scent.  I never noticed this with prior molds.  Does this tend to happen more when the flexible molds are more new?

1 minute ago, moonshine said:

here is a good thread to read 

 

there is more I'm trying to find 

Oh my goodness Moonshine, thank you!!!

10 minutes ago, Candybee said:

 

Done!

Thank you!  Easy fix, wonderful

I guess I should have put this in the general topic, darn.

Hello everyone,

I know there is plenty of information on here regarding paraffin vs soy.  Can someone give me a good link to where I can read more on it via here?  My search isn't coming up with what I need.  I know the comparison of them are fairly equal when it comes to tart and candle making.  I just want to know what all of you say to these soy loving paraffin hating believers at a show/event?  What are some of the simple, sweet and short answers to the customers who bash paraffin in your booth while still maintaining professionalism?  I know there has to be general things that you can say that shows you know what you're talking about and able to educate them in the process or even have them stop talking dead in their tracks about it.

I don't want to make you all repeat yourselves or have a "here we go again" with paraffin vs soy thread.  I simply just want advice on how you all quickly put a stop to it while in public to defend your product.