I rarely use PKO and have never bought palm. Not because of the environmental reasons, though. I originally thought they were the same and had read coconut oil was basically the same as PKO (from the fatty acid charts, they basically are, except for PKO being a tad more moisturizing). Coconut was less costly and no shipping! So, I never bothered with either of the palms. I use many different oils and analyze the fatty acid profiles until I get the combo I am looking for...rich, cleansing, whatever it is. Safflower, sunflower, soy, canola, even corn. Lard and tallow, in the non-veggie bars. I guess I am lucky I was confused about the PKO/Palm/Coconut issue. It is sad, who doesn't love orangutans? And to think about them burning...geez.