SatinDucky Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 On the soap labels, what is the difference between listing your oils as sapinified or hydrogenated. I've seen a lot of people say "saponified olive oil" etc. In looking at INCI names at http://www.oshun.ca/inci.html I just noticed theirs say hydrogenated instead. What's the difference? Or is it a different kind of soap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Ok.. Saponified means it has been reacted with lye. Hydrogenated means it started out as a liquid oil and changed to be a solid. Like hydrogenated soybean oil (crisco) is treated soybean oil. Hopefully someone else has a better explanation.. Man I need to go to bed! lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sudsnwicks Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 The hydrogenated oil is what went into the recipe. The saponified oil is what you get as the result after the recipe is made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinInOR Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Hydrogenated oil is still the oil - it's been reacted to lose it's double bonds between carbon atoms (some liquid oils have 1, 2 or more double bonds). Makes it more stable, and more solid.Saponified oils is a really different animal, it's soap. Say you use hydrogentated soybean oil, it's still soybean oil. But if you've got "saponified oils of soybean" (and you used hydrogentated soybean), you're really talking about sodium soyate. Not soybean oil anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatinDucky Posted December 19, 2005 Author Share Posted December 19, 2005 Thanks so much! That makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workingwithsoy Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 crisco is a hydrogenated oil, a process that does change the molecules by using high heats and a metal (usually Nickle). It forms a man-made acid (trans fatty acids). I don't use crisco or other trans fats because of the bad reports they have gotten in the last few yrs. In 2006 foods in the US will have to list their trans fats on the label for food products. I've read a lot of studies about these products for reports in school and they have stated trans fats change the cell membrane's ability to exchange fluids in the body, among tons of other things. Sorry for the long explanation, I did a lot of research on it! I don't do crisco for soaps because I dont want hydrogenated oils on my skin either! I know a lot of people use them, just not my choice of oils! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaiiansun Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 I'm new to this so bear with my dumb look But if I was to use olive, PKO or coconut oil 76 in my M& P soap ( i need lather) would this be considered hydrogenated or saponified oils? STSSS ( sorry to sound so stupid) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaiiansun Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Awww come on someone answer me. I don't wanna be a thread killer again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Neither.. And adding PKO to M&P isn't going to make it lather better. It needs to be saponified with lye to give the lathering properties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaiiansun Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Neither.. And adding PKO to M&P isn't going to make it lather better. It needs to be saponified with lye to give the lathering properties. ok thanks I"ll leave the PKO out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Ok.. adding any oil to M&P for it's soaped value won't work. Adding coconut and PKO to lye in soap will give you bubbles and cleansing. Adding them to M&P they keep the same values they are are out of the bottle or bucket or whatever you get it out of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaiiansun Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 ok but can I add them for lather? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinInOR Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 No. Oils on their own don't give lather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaiiansun Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 ok now I'm more confused lmao I read somewhere that adding certain oils can boost lather and certain will add moisture in M&P. So I shouldn't add any oils or anything in my base? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 No. Not in any way shape or form will adding PKO or coconut or any oil to M&P help the lather. It's going to help moisturize you. If you need more lather out of your M&P, try switching bases or look at other types of additives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Adding oils to M&P may add moisurizing qualities but unless you add lye to those oils you will not get suds, bubbles or lather. Sorry chica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaiiansun Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Adding oils to M&P may add moisurizing qualities but unless you add lye to those oils you will not get suds, bubbles or lather. Sorry chica ok gotcha thanks all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 From what I hear, adding SFIC shaving base to the other SFIC bases will increase your lather or bubbles, can't remember which. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Try adding sugar to your M&P, I just did this the other day with a recipe I had previously made, and the second batch with the sugar, believe it or not, lathers waaaaaay better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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