TheWickedWick Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Good morning...I'm new to this forum and to candlemaking. Have been reading and searching past posts and found all to be so helpful. However, in all my reading I'm getting confused. Here's my question...I'm using gb 464 with eco wicks and I'm not too happy with the eco wicks and would like to try something else. I've been testing a 2.5" dia. hex jar (6.5 oz) with eco 10, 1 oz. FO per pound, no other additives, 1/2 dye chip. Any suggestions on better wicks? I'd like to stay with what Candle Science has as I can pick up and save shipping fees. Also testing a 3" tin (8 oz) with an eco 14. With eco's I seem to have to trim more than 1/4" and HT is not very strong at all. I'm also thinking of going dye free. I've been using Jack N Peel FO but will be switching on my next batch to Coconut-Lime from Candle Science. So very sick of smelling the Jack but it was what came with my soy kit from Lone Star.Thanks in advance for suggestions. Hope I've included all the necessary info.Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeana Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Hi Karen,I have a blend that is mostly 464. My containers are smaller like yours. I have been getting some really good results from Performa wicks. http://www.bittercreek.net/ I get the best throw from these. I was using cd, cdn, and eco. But it would be hit or miss for HT.I know you are trying to stay with candlescience, but this may be worth looking in to. They are in WI.Also HTP are good in 464 but they aren't at CS either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwillo2 Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Also HTP are good in 464 but they aren't at CS either.CS has htp wicks....When i was playing with 464 in a 2.5" diameter container, I got great burns with an Eco 4...I could not get a good burn with htp wicks.. CD's did great too.. And it was an 8 for a 2.5" but CS does not have those...Emily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWickedWick Posted June 13, 2009 Author Share Posted June 13, 2009 Thank you for your suggestions. I'll take a look at these. Was hoping to stay with CS but, oh well, would rather have a great candle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmom1 Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 hi karen,welcome! i use 464 and CS FOs. i find an eco 10 works very well in my 3 inch containers with MOST of the CS fragrances i use. i also use 1 ounce per pound and light color. sometimes too big a wick can be as much a problem as too small.are you using all 3 leaf rated FOs? most of those are great, but i did have trouble with a few not throwing well. what FOs are you testing with right now? maybe i can give you some of my results. and of course you can always try the other wicks. i may do that for the few FOs i had trouble with using the eco wicks.HTH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 I like CDNs for all the veggie waxes I have used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWickedWick Posted June 13, 2009 Author Share Posted June 13, 2009 Thanks dogmom1..I'm actually going to make a few of the 8 0z (3" )tins tomorrow using eco 10's and Coconut-Lime FO from CS. CS recommended using eco14's in the tins but I think they'll be too big. The 10's are too big for my little hex jars (2.5"). Started out fine but by burn 4 & 5 the flame was too big and the jars too hot for my liking. Proper melt pool was achieved though. I've actually ordered a sample pack of CD's from Lone Star. We'll see how they work.I'm limited on my FO supply right now (just starting out). Only have 2 from LoneStar and a 1 oz sample from CS. Getting ready to order some FO's from CS though. Thinking of Honeysuckle Jasmine, Sage-Pomegrante, Rain Water, Pumpkin Souffle, Cranberry Marmalade & Violet-Lime. Have you tried any of these?I appreciate your input. My mind gets wonkie reading all the wonderful forum posts! Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canongirl Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 I've been experimenting with 464. I think it's a great wax and makes a nice looking candle. I don't add any dye to mine. I've tested FT's, HTP's, Eco's and CD wicks. To me, the CD's always smell burnt. I've had the best luck with the Eco wicks, but still not 100% happy with the results. I think I will try the Performa wicks. Was wondering where I could find these. Thanks Jeana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmom1 Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Thanks dogmom1..I'm actually going to make a few of the 8 0z (3" )tins tomorrow using eco 10's and Coconut-Lime FO from CS. CS recommended using eco14's in the tins but I think they'll be too big. The 10's are too big for my little hex jars (2.5"). Started out fine but by burn 4 & 5 the flame was too big and the jars too hot for my liking. Proper melt pool was achieved though. I've actually ordered a sample pack of CD's from Lone Star. We'll see how they work.I'm limited on my FO supply right now (just starting out). Only have 2 from LoneStar and a 1 oz sample from CS. Getting ready to order some FO's from CS though. Thinking of Honeysuckle Jasmine, Sage-Pomegrante, Rain Water, Pumpkin Souffle, Cranberry Marmalade & Violet-Lime. Have you tried any of these?I appreciate your input. My mind gets wonkie reading all the wonderful forum posts! Karenhi karen,i haven't tried the coconut lime. i need to play more with the sage pomegranate, it seems to need a bigger wick and i haven't gotten back to it. all the others you mentioned throw very well for me. they are all really wonderful scents! the CS people are so nice and also very helpful. you're lucky to be close to them! i definitely agree that the wick sizes they recommend are a bit too big, tho there are a few FOs that i've used a 14. i use glass, not tins, and i don't know if that affects wicking. i think the tin might get hotter than the glass, which may influence the burn, but that's just a guess.let me know how the coconut lime works out. good luck and keep us posted! ei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle E. Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 I have been working with this wax for a few years now and to me me the HTP wicks work the best in this wax. I tried Eco wicks and did not get any hot throw using them. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debra Phelps Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 I also use 464 and I use a lot of CS oils. I use the Eco 10 in my 9oz jars. In the 6.5 I would use an Eco 8. I get great HT in all my scents. But I use 1.5oz per lb. I think it has a lot to do with temp. too. My guess is your wicks are too big. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canongirl Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Debra,When you say, "it has a lot to do with temp.", could you please elaborate? Do you mean pouring temp. or the temp. at which you add the FO? I could use a few pointers. I heat the wax to about 175, then remove from heat and add fragrance oil, stir for 2 minutes, let sit until about 140 to 150 degrees, stir again, then pour. Maybe I am doing this wrong and that is why I don't always get a good scent throw. I'm using quality fragrance oils, usually at 1.5 oz. per pound.Thanks,Lisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWickedWick Posted June 15, 2009 Author Share Posted June 15, 2009 Thanks for all your suggestions. I've ordered a sample pack of the CD's. We'll see how those work. Yesterday I poured a 3" tin- 8 oz. and a 10 oz. Emma Jar (Wal-Mart) using the Eco 10's and CS FO in Coconut-Lime, no dye. I'll test burn them on Wednesday and see how they do. Only used 1 oz. of the FO as this was a free sample. Would have used more...it's kinda has a mild CT for now. It might get stronger the longer it sits. I hope so. Didn't have a high customer review. Oh well..at least it was free I'm really liking the GB 464...beautiful tops and so far no wet spots. Didn't heat my jars either. Room temp when I poured was around 74-75*. I'll let you know the results. Again, thanks for all your insight..nice to have such wonderful people to go to!Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagwood Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I use 464 and CD wicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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