Violetsexoticcandles Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I've been screwing with this wax for months. I had a good batch last fall- don't know what happened. I still have around 18 lbs of this wax and the only way to use it for votives is to majorly mess with it... tried everything- the box, the oven, stearic, 10% C3... I made votives this weekend for orders and it took me 5 tries to get them right. Basically, the only way to get them to NOT crack is to cool them in a warmed oven. And, that does not keep them from cracking further on down the line- I've had to scrap quite a few I poured months ago. Then, there's the frosting. Now, one could say, well, that's soy, etc...BUT, I have been playing with Ecosoya PB and none of these issues have presented themselves. V1 is good for tarts, only, in my opinion. What shall I do to use the rest of it up? Try to sell a crapload of tarts on Ebay so I can order Ecosoya PB? GRR... Just venting. Don't really want more advice on V1. It just stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scent Cellar Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Yes, when all else fails (as in the V1 wax ) there are always firestarters or tarts. The Ecosoya makes a nicer looking pillar anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 LOL, the sweet perfume of truth wafts through the veggie forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silkysoycreations Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I hate V-1 too so you're not alone...I luckily only got 1 10lb. bag of it and made tarts with the rest of it. I've fiddle farted around with it for votives and was a huge waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violetsexoticcandles Posted November 27, 2007 Author Share Posted November 27, 2007 LOL, the sweet perfume of truth wafts through the veggie forum.:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:Yes indeed!!!!!Anyone want some tarts? Har har... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violetsexoticcandles Posted November 27, 2007 Author Share Posted November 27, 2007 I hate V-1 too so you're not alone...I luckily only got 1 10lb. bag of it and made tarts with the rest of it. I've fiddle farted around with it for votives and was a huge waste of time.Yah I hear you! And, the funny thing was, when I started out, it wasn't bad, but apparently, Nature Wax doesn't care, either. They sell so much C3 and don't move as much V1, so screw those who would like to offer votives/tarts on a regular basis. Yah, sure, a lot of votives and tarts can be made out of a 50 lb box... they don't expect as many orders... but still. Do they think they'll really sell any blend they have coming, if they won't stand by the brand they already have or make good with a crap-blend? I bought my last 50 lb box last spring and found out late this summer that the batch was already expired. I was told that the expiration date would not affect the results I was getting, even though every batch was cracking unless I turned on my poor oven and BAKED my votives. I've come to the conclusion that maybe expiration date expired= bad wax. At this point, I'm even considering changing container waxes once my C3 is done, because I'm very disappointed in their customer service. Sad thing is, I took this out on my supplier, when she contracted with Nature Wax, and I feel she is just as much a victim as me and many others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violetsexoticcandles Posted November 27, 2007 Author Share Posted November 27, 2007 Yes, when all else fails (as in the V1 wax ) there are always firestarters or tarts. The Ecosoya makes a nicer looking pillar anyway.Hehe... yes, I made a few ball candles with Ecosoya PB (isn't there some sort of abbreviation like V1 has... lol?) and they were spectacular! I made a ball mold, I think 6 oz, zinc wicks, made a perfect shell and I am so confident that when it's done burning, I will have a pillar I can stick a tealight in. I think I'll liquidate the crap on Ebay... or dip some bears, etc... Don't have to worry about cracking there! It's a good wax for bears. Hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Why not PM Tim from NatureWax or email them about your complaints? Perhaps they could help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunkie68 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 V-1 is no good for tarts, either, if you ask me. I haven't tried every.single.thing I can think of, I don't guess - I haven't tried stearic, for instance. But I've added coconut oil, I've added C-3, I've warmed the molds, I've not warmed the molds, I've cooled 'em in the oven, I've poured warmer, I've poured cooler, and still the little suckers crack. Some crack all the way through, or break into pieces when I take them out of the molds. I had a good batch earlier as well, but all the recent ones I've gotten have sucked big dirty rocks. I've probably got about 18 pounds on hand, and I'm going to suck up and make it work for tarts, do what I have to to get them to turn out at least saleable, but I'm switching. I'll test the Ecosoya since it's gotten good reviews, but it's no fun making tarts when I'm wincing, wondering how badly the latest batch will crack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Why not PM Tim from NatureWax or email them about your complaints? Perhaps they could help?They could probably help most by taking the product off the market. Folks like Timothy Murphy are handsomely compensated by a multibillion dollar industry. Why should small candlemakers with limited resources be squandering their time and money trying to make this crap work, or resorting to the inventor just to get a votive to come out right?You know, soy isn't just a cute, cantankerous thing that we have fun trying to "master". Sometimes things like V1 and Ecosoya CB-Advanced have to be called what they are -- crap products -- and chalk up another snowjob from the soy wax manufacturers.At this point in time it's like a bad pizza place in the middle of New York City. No matter how many people try it and never come back, they do well because there are countless new customers walking down the street (and maybe a few regulars who've never tried good pizza). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violetsexoticcandles Posted November 28, 2007 Author Share Posted November 28, 2007 V-1 is no good for tarts, either, if you ask me. I haven't tried every.single.thing I can think of, I don't guess - I haven't tried stearic, for instance. But I've added coconut oil, I've added C-3, I've warmed the molds, I've not warmed the molds, I've cooled 'em in the oven, I've poured warmer, I've poured cooler, and still the little suckers crack. Some crack all the way through, or break into pieces when I take them out of the molds. I had a good batch earlier as well, but all the recent ones I've gotten have sucked big dirty rocks. I've probably got about 18 pounds on hand, and I'm going to suck up and make it work for tarts, do what I have to to get them to turn out at least saleable, but I'm switching. I'll test the Ecosoya since it's gotten good reviews, but it's no fun making tarts when I'm wincing, wondering how badly the latest batch will crack.Hmm... never had a problem with tarts. I use the metal molds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violetsexoticcandles Posted November 28, 2007 Author Share Posted November 28, 2007 Why not PM Tim from NatureWax or email them about your complaints? Perhaps they could help?They came on this board not too long ago, didn't suggest anything but to pump their new blends.. After all the time I've already wasted, I'm just done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunkie68 Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Hmm... never had a problem with tarts. I use the metal molds.I use metal molds as well, and the most recent batches of V-1 have given me darn near nothing but grief. If you can make it work with tarts, more power to you, and I hope you can have better luck with the tarts than I am, because it stinks to anguish over it. After I use up this last bit, I'm done with V-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violetsexoticcandles Posted November 28, 2007 Author Share Posted November 28, 2007 I use metal molds as well, and the most recent batches of V-1 have given me darn near nothing but grief. If you can make it work with tarts, more power to you, and I hope you can have better luck with the tarts than I am, because it stinks to anguish over it. After I use up this last bit, I'm done with V-1.I hear you... just can't say I've had the same problems... But I, too, am done with V1 once my stuff is gone. Waxed bears, anyone? LOL. Poor bears. Sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violetsexoticcandles Posted November 28, 2007 Author Share Posted November 28, 2007 They could probably help most by taking the product off the market. Folks like Timothy Murphy are handsomely compensated by a multibillion dollar industry. Why should small candlemakers with limited resources be squandering their time and money trying to make this crap work, or resorting to the inventor just to get a votive to come out right?You know, soy isn't just a cute, cantankerous thing that we have fun trying to "master". Sometimes things like V1 and Ecosoya CB-Advanced have to be called what they are -- crap products -- and chalk up another snowjob from the soy wax manufacturers.At this point in time it's like a bad pizza place in the middle of New York City. No matter how many people try it and never come back, they do well because there are countless new customers walking down the street (and maybe a few regulars who've never tried good pizza).They won't take it off the market until every single penny they put into it is brought back. It's a nice thought, though... would save others a lot of time and wasted energy... plus $. But gotta love the capitalistic nature of the few who thrive on the plenty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 But gotta love the capitalistic nature of the few who thrive on the plenty.No we don't! That is called being a bad paracite. A good paracite doesn't kill its host, the goose who laid the golden egg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandlekrazy Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 I've gotta agree with Violet and Bunkie here...I hate V1 and the sooner we all stop using it, the sooner Cargill will realize it's a big problem and fix it. I don't like it for tarts either, unless using just a very small amount of it blended with C3. I too, have just a little left to use up and then on to something else. If it weren't for the cost of wax, I'd just chuck it, but my sensible side keeps telling me that there has to be something it's good for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunkie68 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 I've gotta agree with Violet and Bunkie here...I hate V1 and the sooner we all stop using it, the sooner Cargill will realize it's a big problem and fix it. I don't like it for tarts either, unless using just a very small amount of it blended with C3. I too, have just a little left to use up and then on to something else. If it weren't for the cost of wax, I'd just chuck it, but my sensible side keeps telling me that there has to be something it's good for!Leave it boxed up and use it for a doorstop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandlekrazy Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Leave it boxed up and use it for a doorstop? I like that idea...you'd think I'd learn to just chuck things instead of wasting perfectly good fo in them! I've got tons of crap made with V1 that I now have to push off on my family!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violetsexoticcandles Posted November 29, 2007 Author Share Posted November 29, 2007 I like that idea...you'd think I'd learn to just chuck things instead of wasting perfectly good fo in them! I've got tons of crap made with V1 that I now have to push off on my family!!I have tons of tarts made up that I'm thinking of selling for 25 cents each lol. At least I'll make my $ back. It's just an aggravation, though... I can't wait til I can buy a larger amount of Ecosoya PB. It makes great pillars, tarts and votives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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